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ICANT
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Message 75 of 86 (403983)
06-06-2007 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by RAZD
06-05-2007 7:40 PM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Hi RAZD,
I'll leave it for now, and see what ICANT comes back with. It's just that when someone asks me how much "faith" I have in evolution, I can't say that there is no faith involved. I feel it is necessary to answer "some", and then to qualify what that "some" involves.
I am sorry for dragging the topic so far off but I wanted to try and determine how much faith you thought it took to believe in evolution carried to the fullest extent.
As you know I believe in evolution up to the point of things becoming completely different other things.
I know science is supposed to be based on evidence, and much of evolution is based on evidence.
But it has never been observed or reproduced where one thing becomes a completely different thing, and there are not enough fossils to prove that it has taken place.
Even your favorite horse chain has been said to be out of order.
I know you are sincere in what you believe and I applaud you for admitting that there is faith involved in that belief. I also applaud you for stating that what you believe may be proven to be false.
I am sure you know from our many conversations that I am sincere in what I believe. You are aware that I have stated on several occasions that what I believe may be proven to be false.
Message 74
RAZD writes:
BTW Having faith in the supernatural world requires additional faith since there is no testable evidence to lend it any credence.
ICANT writes:
At present there are 107 tests per minute that proves or disproves God exists. The only problem the one doing the experiment has to die to perform the test. One day you and I will perform that test.
I stated here that one day I will perform a test that will prove if what I believe is true:
I believe God created the heavens and the earth.
I believe the first man willfully disobeyed God and that separated man from God.
I believe Jesus came and died on the cross to pay my sin debt.
I believe Jesus is coming again.
I believe those who do not trust Jesus for salvation will be cast into the lake of fire.
I believe there will be a New Heaven and Earth.
I believe the old one will melt with reverent heat.
I believe that those who have trusted Jesus for salvation will spend eternity with Him in that New Heaven and Earth.
I believe that when I die I will know if what I have believe is true.
It will prove if God exists. It will also prove if I chose the right set of beliefs and as I understand it there are 34,000 plus to chose from.
Check out my thread, The Literal Genesis Account of Creation. It might shed a little light on my faith and why I have it.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 77 of 86 (404765)
06-09-2007 5:33 PM
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06-06-2007 9:00 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Ouch
Edited by ICANT, : Duplicate post

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 78 of 86 (404767)
06-09-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by RAZD
06-06-2007 9:00 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
The problem is (1) publishing the result in a peer reviewed journal and (b) reproducing the result (are you sure only one religion is true?) ...
RAZD, I love everybody, and from what I have read of the lake of fire I would not want to see anyone go there for a minute must less eternity.
But in all fairness to your question I have to say I believe there is only one way to heaven.
Let me put it this way: If there is a God, and He inspired the Bible, there is only one way. Jesus said: "I am the way the truth and the life."
You read much on here about what Christanity is and is not.
You read hardly anything that relates to what it is to be a born again child of the king.
To be born again you must believe God. That He is who He says He is and that He sent His Son to pay the sin debt for mankind. You have to believe He will do what He said He would do. Which is give you eternal life if you trust Him to do so. If you desire I could give you the scripture references.
I'd need a link, I normally do not post on that side of the forum.
I see you found it. And yes I am very old old old Universe. I believe you cannot find a number large enough to tell me how old the Universe is.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 80 of 86 (404956)
06-10-2007 9:03 PM
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06-10-2007 6:39 PM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
I like the new outfit.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 83 of 86 (405449)
06-12-2007 11:48 PM
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06-11-2007 12:20 AM


Re: From Thread Criticizing neo-Darwinism
Standard issue in this hospital. Or do you mean the strange skin rash I've developed ...
The strange rash that was on your chest looked like an s.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 84 of 86 (405451)
06-13-2007 12:03 AM
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06-11-2007 8:55 PM


Re:Force
I believe the creator is the creative force (or energy) that is the essence of everything.
I believe God is the essence of everything. Everything that exists in the Universe has its being in, by, and through Him.
Acts 17:28 (KJV) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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