Rape and incest combined accounts for less than 1% of all abortions. And since conception does not occur instantaneously, there is enough time to take the morning-after-pill which will do nothing if the fertilization process has already begun or it will stop that implantation of a fertilized egg.
Well, at least you don't oppose the morning-after pill. Many of your contemporaries beleive it's exactly the same as abortion. Good for you. But the statistical rarity of incest/rape cases is irrelevant, for a couple of reasons. First, there is no requirement that a woman give a
reason when she terminates a pregnancy, so the statistical data is incomplete at best. Second, you can't dismiss a scenario by simply saying "it doesn't happen often." That response certainly doesn't help the individuals it
has happened to.
I read your whole scenario. I would place that child up for adoption.
And if I were a woman, that would likely be high on my list of options. But the point is that society has no right to force that victim to go through any further trauma. Every day of the pregnancy, even assuming the child is given up for adoption, simply prolongs the event for her with cosntant reminders. I wouldn't force that situation on anyone.
The mother gets a life sentence no matter what, Rahvin. Nothing is going to unrape her. So instead of making sure she gets a life sentence and the baby a death sentence, why not make tougher laws on the actual offenders instead of having these liberal judges who historically coddle these offenders. Why don't we try that?
We can't take away the rape, certainly, but we can allow her to decide for herself wheterh she wants to go through the emotional ringer of carrying the child to term. And please, don't change the subject. We are not discussing rape penalties. The rapist is obviously a monster, but changing his punishment will
also not erase the event.
What do you think abortion entails? Its surgery. She has to "go under the knife" for certain if she opts for an abortion.
As Dan has already stated, abortion is not surgery. Drugs can terminate pregnancy, and if that's not possible, the more invasive forms still do not entail actual surgery. Unless you outlaw abortion - the butchers willing to "help" the desperate tend to have somewhat lesser medical skills, if you catch my meaning.
Well, you know, after a lot of thought, I've decided that all forms of murder really isn't that bad. And it pisses me off that I'm not allowed to kill people that get in my way, hindering my progress, and obstructing my life. I really wish people who don't like murder would just worry about themselves, you know? Who are they to push their morals on us? I mean, if they don't want to commit murders, fine. But I do. Shouldn't I have that right to slash whomever I want?
Stop me when you pick up on the sarcasm.
Come now. As I said, you have
no evidence to back your assertion that abortion is murder. You have nothing that shows when the parasitic clump of cells becomes a human being. You have told us what you
believe, but it is entirely predicated on your religious belief in a soul, and that this soul is implanted at contraception. There is no evidence for this. The embryo doesn't even have a brain for a significant amount of time.
sometimes people get pregnant when they don't intend to. Some people are financially or mentally stable to handle young children, especially young girls themselves. Fine. I got that. You aren't consigned to take care of this baby for the rest of their life. Give the baby up for adoption so EVERYONE gets to make out like bandits. Make sense? I suspect its been leaving everyone in an indefensible position which is why no one has responded to it.
Well, first off, you DO realize that many, many of the children currently up for adoption will never be adopted, don't you? Feeding more kids into the system will not help that situation.
But, since you can't demonstrate why terminating a pregnancy is murder, what gives you the right to tell a woman what to do with her own body?
Do you care about the girls who have died because an abortionist botched it and he ends up killing the girl because her infection at his hands turns into septic shock? Or do only care when somebody try's to do it themselves? As for me, of course I care. Here's my solution: Don't do it! Problem solved.
Wow. So now, only abortionists experience complications during medical procedures? As has already been shown, a woman is drastically
less likely to die as a result of an abortion than she is during childbirth. This has been stated more than once during this thread. How can you possibly use such an idiotic "rationale?" I agree that "no medical procedure" is best, all thigns being equal. Unfortuantely, childbirth itself is
also a medical procedure. One that kills statistically a far greater number of women than abortion.
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, least of all jamming coat hangers inside their body. Buyt since every one is quite fond of making up erroneous things about me, I'm just going to go ahead and say that all the men responding to this negatively has an ulterior motive. Yeah, I don't think you give a whit for the women invilved. I think you want to keep abortion legal because that way you don't have to ever wear condoms, but you won't have to worry about paying child support.
Is that fair for me to assume? No, it isn't. So at anytime all the people slandering me can stop making up nonsense about how my dislike of abortion is because I'm really just a sexist who wants to shame sluts.
Well, you certainly don't seem to be aiming at saving lives. See, you haven't offered up any ways to reduce abortions aside from simply putting rape victims and others who want abortions in jail. Instead, you've given us a bunch of horseshit about "taking responsibility" and "selfish lifestyle choices." This obviously implies that you are stating "if you want to sleep around like a filthy whore, then you get to pay the price! The Lord God said He would greatly increase your pain at childbirth, slut!" Granted, I'm exaggerating, but the message is the same. You aren't making any statements relating to the saving of lives. You ignore evidence that legal abortions
save lives, even the lives of babies if combined wuith a robust sexual education/free healthcare/free contraception policy. All you say is "you did the crime, you do the time." You equate pregnancy with soem sort of punishment, and it's disgusting.
And remember - abortions
will be sought, legally or otherwise. If you make them illegal, all that remains are the illegal butchers. Women who would otherwise receive
safe abortions from licensed doctors will isntead be performed by greedy idiots with steak knives and coat hangers. This is a large part of the reason abortion was made legal in the US and other countries. Criminalized abortion
does result in more death.
Oh, I see... Pregnancy is invasive and traumatic, but abortion is skipping through a meadow of sunflowers.
As it is currently performed, abotion is less invasive, less painful, doesn't last nine months, has fewer side effects, fewer
life effects, and a drastically lower chance of
dying. Comparitively, yes, it's a walk in the fucking park.
For the record. Are you advocating the execution of the retarded? Give Hitler my regards.
No. I'm saying that the termination of a pregnancy where the "child" will possess no brain function before it is born should be left up to the parents, who will be forced to care for it. I am not supporting social Darwinism or eugenics. I am simply stating the state has no right to force the child to be carried to term. Just as the Nazis had no right to force sterilizations.
If the disease was so debilitating so to make life for that child absolute agony, I think legislation would consider that. But if we're talking about mental retardation, life is far from misery. In fact, the mentally retarded are, without a doubt, the happiest people on the planet. I feel zero remorse for them. In fact, all of humanity could learn alot from them. Its their parents that I feel bad for. But if they can't handle it, there are places they can go with people who will dutifully love and care for them.
Again, please read what I actually wrote. Mental retardation does not equate a persistant vegitative state. However, if a fetus were diagnosed with a genetic disorder that would, in fact, result in mental retardation, I still believe the choice should be left up to the parents, particularly the mother. Just like with any abortion.
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