Information Theory and Intelligent Design.

I really don't have time for this, so don't think that a non-response equals a checkmate.Ok Ice...Iceage:No, they were painted by machines designed by intelligent agents. As for the purpose or meaning of the color, you would have to ask the designer or the marketer of the disk. All designed by intelligent agents, so the answer is no! There is no materialist explanation.Painted computer disks designed for a specific function do not arise from material causes.IMHO

But you are not the one who believes in truth. You think all truth is relative no? Which means your statement is itself relative.If you believe that truth is absolute then yes, reality and truth are very brutal indeed, which is why you do not believe.Your information theory is frankly illogical.I was anticipating this response and you are far more correct than you realize...Revelation 19:21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider (christ) on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.I know that means nothing to you... Which kind of defeats your point.

Ok... So what I am hearing, is that I need to conform to reality (lose my life, so that I may find real life)... That I am wrong and that you are right (He who is not with me, is against me).You guys sound like someone I know... but you don't believe in Him.I see no reason to continue this mock trial. I was guilty before the trial began, you only offer forgiveness if I repent.Again, it sounds familliar....I shall not repent, and neither shall you. We are all absolutists here so... Therefore, on whom justice will fall, let justice fall.As for me, I am glad my debt is paid. I could never have paid it. I only have to endure your sophistry and derision for a short time. Death is a consolation for a man like Socrates in a world like this one. Plato understood it well...

Don't get the wrong idea Razd... I am not seeking your forgiveness or pity. Lay it on me brother... Let the beatings begin. I can handle it now. It just took a long time to learn this whole longsuffering thing. It was hard to grasp even as a disciple.Spit, kick, mock, impune, redicule, banish, condemn, lampoon, scorn, hate, laugh, scream, and destroy.I can't do it anymore... I leave that to you...You win! Eat drink and be merry...Rob

Ok... So what I am hearing, is that I need to conform to reality (lose my life, so that I may find real life)... That I am wrong and that you are right (He who is not with me, is against me).
You guys sound like someone I know... but you don't believe in Him.I see no reason to continue this mock trial. I was guilty before the trial began, you only offer forgiveness if I repent.Again, it sounds familliar....

"In every guilty man, there is some innocence. This makes every absolute condemnation revolting." Albert CamusIs Mr. Camus absolutely condemning the concept of 'absolute condemnation'?He is! And he proves that justice must be absolute by imperitive and displays the irrationality that motivates a crowd to choose ignorance over reason when given a clear option. Such a choice is the lesser of the two threats to the will of the crowd who chooses to live their own way, absolutely.Matthew 27: 21 "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor. "Barabbas," they answered. 22 "What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!" 23 "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!" 24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"Such a scene is absolutism, condemning absolutism. It is mankind killing the very thing that is the essence of his humanity.Is that Socratic enough for you guys?Anyone got any hemlock?

It's easy to be a cynic when everything is over your head.
Calculus means nothing to my five year old either. It's utterly irrelevant to playing with hotwheels. I'm sure you have other toys to amuse you...Don't let me stop you... live it up while there's still time!My point, was that all denunciation implies a moral doctrine. All moralizing and condemnation is accusatory of violating what is right.You moralize against moralizing. Suicide of thought...Don't moralize about anything and you will be happy. Don't let other people's sins ruin your life. Let them do their thing.But thank you DrJones. Your genius is always refreshing.

My problem is that I do not yet take the advice i just gave to our dear DrJones.I am trying to recruit the unrepentant. I have to let them go you know?But thanks for your honest rebuke A.Long way to go for me...

A:The first sentance of your advice is valid. I bow to it respectfully.The second is incorrect. 'In the beginning was the Word'. And God puts those words in our mouths. If He does not, then the last half is also true.They do not respect the Word. The truth is chaff to them. Straw is more real and as useless against them. They laugh at swords and arrows.But if you use your own words, they have won as well. It is brick instead of stone. I do not mean the words (and neither does scripture), I mean the ideas. Contradiction vs Non. 'A kingdom divided cannot stand'.I know you don't take it so far... It's ok.Godspeed...