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jar

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Message 99 of 108 (376655)
01-13-2007 1:37 AM

Reply to: Message 98 by Nighttrain
01-13-2007 1:28 AM

But there are already cures for malaria

There are quite a few treatments. The problem is not that GOD didn't give us the brains to deal with things like malaria, it is that we don't follow through and get what is needed, where it is needed, when it is needed. That isn't GOD's failing, but ours.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 104 of 108 (376728)
01-13-2007 1:14 PM

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01-13-2007 2:14 AM

Re: But there are already cures for malaria

Only one villain in the piece--the dude that created this vile, multi-layered disease that either kills or debilitates for life.

The question you ask is a good one and I would love to discuss it with you, but this thread is not the place. It is something that does need to be discussed and I once spent considerable time with Gilgamesh (also from down your way IIRC).

Start a thread on it and I will be happy to at the least, show you how I see it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 105 of 108 (376729)
01-13-2007 1:21 PM

Reply to: Message 101 by mark24
01-13-2007 5:24 AM

Re: Just answers? Or Questions?

But yeah, I'm pretty sure that a supreme being that brought the cosmos into being, that was both omniscient & omnipotent wouldn't fail to get mine & others attention when he/she/it demanded it.

But does he/she/it demand it?

I just don't buy this "perhaps you aren't listening when the supreme being bellows in your ear" stuff. It just seems like it would be something impossible to ignore. It would mean god wasn't omnipotent for a start, if he couldn't communicate when he/she/it desired.

But again, is there any indication he/she/it desires to talk to you? Quite frankly, when GOD talks to me it is usually through a dope slap. Maybe you haven't needed as many as me and I always knew Mother loved you best.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 106 of 108 (376732)
01-13-2007 1:38 PM

Reply to: Message 102 by Straggler
01-13-2007 6:28 AM

Re: Maps Malaria and Other Natural Misfortunes

As I told Nighttrain, great question and I would love to discuss diseases and other calamities but in a thread on that topic. I did cover a little of it in a discussion once with Gilgamesh and you can find that post Here.

Given that those who have maps and converse with God are no more or less likely to experience extreme suffering can we conclude that having a map and conversing with God is of no actual practical benefit at all?

If you mean do Maps prevent suffering, like magic spells, then no, of course not. Then can though help deal with how one reacts to unfortunate things.

So, given that I am a mapless heathen who has found other means of achieving spiritual health and that the various maps seem to have no practical value at all, is it not logical to conclude that all the maps are equally useless in practise and that those chatting to God are fooling themselves by attributing the basis of their spiritual health to something that exists only within their own heads?

Sure that is a logical conclusion. If, for example all of the things you mention happen to be true it might even be the right conclusion. Butwhen you say "... mapless heathen who has found other means of achieving spiritual health..." I see one error. You are not Mapless. You are not using the Religion Maps, but as you say you have found other Maps, other means.

This is my conclusion so if it is a wrong conclusion where am I going wrong?

Wrong about the existence of GOD? Who knows. You may well be right. But if you die and suddenly find yourself face to face with GOD, don't you think you would say, "Whoops. Looks like I was wrong about that!"

If my thinking is sound how is it that so many others, including yourself, are so utterly convinced of the opposite view?

I don't know. Personal experience may play a part in it.

The point is that I don't really think it matters at all whether or not you believe in GOD. GOD certainly wouldn't care.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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