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Message 30 of 108 (376388)
01-12-2007 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by iceage
01-11-2007 4:31 PM


pantheism revealed
However, most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
All philosophies and religions are exclusive... especially the polytheistic ones.
The cosmic vaccume cleaner of popular new age pantheism just opposes and exalts itself over everything else and claims that they (the knowing) are one with the divine... They are God. Evolving into the self aware universe, that is everything, and that is God.
And they especially exclude the religions that are openly exclusive. They mock and impune the primitive believers of those closed systems as evil. But to call something evil is to exclude it from being true! For if anything is the heart of evil it is falsehood.
But the pantheist cannot take to being examined very carefully because God does not like to be challenged. God owns Himself. He is His own. If you mock them, they will collectively suspend your backside for speaking with disrespect to the high preists and priestesses. Like they did to Jesus, they will slap you for your arrogance.
That is why I reject Pantheism. Because it is a fraud. An imposter that sets itself up, as the very thing it despises. It opposes itself. It is a contradiction and a falsehood. A deception. It is the most exclusive of all because it calls itself the truth!
Well, it is either the truth or the antitruth; Christ or antichrist. One thing is certain... as sure as there is a hell, there is no middle ground.
Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
But it will sell. Man (as oppposed to God) does it sell in this dark time. Because the philosophy promises that you can have your physical cake and eat your spiritual fruitcake too.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The hour is near...
Job 34:33 Should God then reward you on your terms, when you refuse to repent? You must decide, not I; so tell me what you know.
Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets (love the truth and tell it). 13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Scottness, you are once again hijacking threads and using them for your own personal preaching. This will NOT be tolerated any further. TO EVERYONE: Please do not respond to scottness unless he is adhering to the Forum Guidelines and remaining in the topic. AdminPhat
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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 32 of 108 (376391)
01-12-2007 1:12 AM
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01-12-2007 1:04 AM


Tell me what to write to Kader so he will believe in you
You already do... ask for forgiveness and He will... read the Gospel of John.

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 33 of 108 (376396)
01-12-2007 1:33 AM
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01-12-2007 1:04 AM


Seek and you will find...
EvC Forum: The significance and symbolism of the sea.

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 36 of 108 (376404)
01-12-2007 1:55 AM
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01-12-2007 1:43 AM


Re: polytheism revealed
Not all religions are exclusive - Buddhism comes to mind.
Yeah, does that mean Buddhists do welcome and include exclusive faiths like Christianity or must a Christian convert to inexclusivity to be enlightened?
Everyone is seeking a convert. Don't let them delude you!
"Killing a fellow human in the name of God is evil"
Now does that exclude it from being true. Not all that is evil is false.
Yes it is... Killing in the name of God is false. They kill for their own name and use God's to exalt themselves.
Slow down Iceage... You can do it...

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 38 of 108 (376406)
01-12-2007 2:04 AM
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01-12-2007 1:52 AM


Re: polytheism revealed
Polytheism means many gods.
Pantheism means all is a part of God.
Well, Hinduism is has no systematized theology. It is both polytheistic, and monotheistic. So it is both pantheist and polytheist. I am told by Ravi Zacharius who was rasied in India for the first twenty years of his life that is is even qualifed theism is some cases. It is what ever a person wants it to be.
Gautama Buddha was born a hindu and rejected some of the cardianl doctrines.
I don't know all there is to know. But I understand that the philosophy is contradictory.
As for polytheistic religions such as the Greeks had, you are correct. They're not all pantheist. I should have said pantheism.
Enough with the 40 lashes minus 1. I am only human. And a dumb one at that.

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Message 39 of 108 (376408)
01-12-2007 2:10 AM
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01-12-2007 1:52 AM


Re: polytheism revealed
How can you pronounce upon all when you can't even get your words or your definitions straight?
I am only a man. I amke mistlakes.
But if you are right (and I am assuming that you are a pantheist with this comment), then I am part of the all and cannot be wrong. I can only evolve, so why Lord it over me?
Would you exclude mistakes if you are one who is not exclusive?
You sound like you believe in logic (the law of non-contradiction) to me.
What contradiction?

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Message 42 of 108 (376413)
01-12-2007 2:24 AM
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01-12-2007 2:17 AM


Re: polytheism revealed
Very clearly the children of Israel are commanded by god to kill and commit genocide. The OT god orders humans on several occasions to kill all: men, women, infants, sucklings.
I knew that was coming...
You've rephrased the assertion....
The assertion now would be, 'God ordering people to kill is evil.'
God ordering people to kill is not false. He's God!
Men killing in the name of God is...
How to tell the difference is a the problem you are having.
When a man says God told him to kill, what do you do?
You can't know... Only God knows, which means you are not God.

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Message 43 of 108 (376415)
01-12-2007 2:27 AM
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01-12-2007 2:21 AM


Re: polytheism revealed
Yes, fair enough. We all make mistakes sometimes, but I disagree one should refer to oneself as dumb just over the occasional error.
This thread seems a more appropriate place for me to pester you when you make false accusations concerning my religion, so out of respect for the rules I will confine any future responses to here should you insist on continuing.
What did I say that is false other than the mistake you just admitted is a typical error?
That certainly does not make me guilty of slander!

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 51 of 108 (376464)
01-12-2007 9:19 AM
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01-12-2007 2:47 AM


Re: Knowledge of seperation
I don't think of myself as seperate from God. He and I are cloer than I ever imagined was possible. He feeds me and opens my eyes.
It was good news to find out that even though I was a sinner, and seperate from Him, that He still loved me and wanted to make His home my own.
When I played God I was seperate from him and hid myself behind my fig leaves. When I let Him be God again I lost nothing. He helped me reveal the true me.
He helped me tear down 'the wall' of delusion that I once built with cunning, not knowing it was my own Tower of chaotic death. He helped me do that with gentleness and respect.
When I was collapsing, I called to Him, and He caught me by suprise.
Luke 14:28 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? 29 For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, 30 saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.' 31 "Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32 If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33 In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. 34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 55 of 108 (376470)
01-12-2007 9:56 AM
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01-12-2007 9:48 AM


First, I don't slready believe in God, I believe in the possibility of a God.
Ok, let's slow way down...
Why do you believe in the possiblity of God?

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Message 59 of 108 (376479)
01-12-2007 10:23 AM
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01-12-2007 10:02 AM


Because we can't disprove God.
That's a lot different than wanting to believe. And the only reason for not wanting to believe is the cost to you. I won't lie about this Kader.
Jesus didn't tell people what they wanted to hear, unless they
wanted to hear. Do you understand the paradox? The poor in Spirit were broken because they acknowledged that they were sinners. Do you want the truth more than control over your own life? Will you love Him as God, or will you insist on staying God of your own kingdom?
ou think it wasn't God who talked to you?
This is very persoanl so read it carefully...
At first Iwasn't sure... How could I tell if these people were just playing mind games? I knew I was a sinner and that God's justice upon me would be Holy and with good cause. I believed in His justice.
But if it was true, I had to know, so I was patient. I began to realize I did not know as much as I thought. I listened carefully. Then things began to become clear that couldn't be coincidence.
And for me it built to the point that I was just being flooded by knowledge and insight. Almost like a computer downloading a file.
And it wasn't me thinking this stuff... So yes, it was God! Iwould ask Him to explain the most difficult problems in my mind at the time, and the anser would just be there!
But this is just my experience, I shouldn't act as though this is the formula. God will do what is right for God, and it may manifest itself differently in you.
aybe it is I who is the problem?
That is for you to decide...
It is as simple as the words of the thief on the cross. He finally told the truth to himself. That I think may be the point of conversion inwhich the flood gates of living water begin to open.
Be patient for them to open and pray from your heart. You know the intellectual stuggles, so let loose your heart.
And you might want to go to church so you can listen to a mature pastor instead of me. I'm just pointing the way if you are serious...
You don't have to answer this but to yourself... Are you serious?

Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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Message 97 of 108 (376642)
01-13-2007 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Kader
01-12-2007 10:41 AM


if God spoke to YOU, are you more special then me ?
No, actually I am less special.
God spoke to me because I admitted that I am a sinner.
It's not complicated.
If we cannot admit that, then we are not truthful. And the key to hearing God is being truthful.
John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
You want proof of God's existence?
God says, first prove to me you really want the truth.
Are you willing to give up the wealth of your good name that you have crafted so carefully?
Have you ever told a lie?

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