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Chiroptera
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Message 211 of 302 (361830)
11-05-2006 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Hyroglyphx
11-05-2006 12:10 PM


Re: absolute morality is all relative
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The relativist makes their morals so low that an infraction of them is next to impossible.
This is not true. A relativist can have a high standard of morality and ethics. She just doesn't expect that her standards do not have any objective reality outside of her own beliefs.
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If relativism were true, then everything could contain contradictory conditions.
This, too, is untrue. Moral relativism no more implies logical contradictions than the fact that the standards as to what constitutes a "tall person" are arbitrary implies logical contradictions, or that the standards as to what constitutes a "hot day" are arbitrary implies logical contradictions. Unless you think that there are absolute, objective standards for "tallness" or "hotness" that should apply to all people in all cultures at all times, then you can't make this statement.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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Chiroptera
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Message 239 of 302 (361920)
11-05-2006 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Hyroglyphx
11-05-2006 2:10 PM


Re: absolute morality is all relative
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If that's true then why do so many relativists object to absolute standards?
I don't understand the question. Relativists object to absolute standards because they don't believe that absolute standards exist. That is what makes them relativists. If they accepted absolute standards, then they would no longer be relativists.
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How can they claim that its 'morally wrong' for someone to subject someone else to their morals if morals are tantamount to opinions?
Because the relativist in question does have personal, subjective standards that are so important to her she feels that they need to imposed on others in certain situations. A person can feel that something is right or wrong and feel it so strongly that she is obligated to take action, but still recognize that there is nothing special about her particular standards.
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You are saying that it isn't rue because you are appealing to me to follow some sort of standard. If there is no standard, there is total chaos and meaning becomes meaningless.
Of course we need standards. Just like, to avoid chaos, we have the standard in North America that AC electical current shall be 110 V and 60 Hz. We impose those standards to avoid chaos; however, that standard is arbitrary -- Europe, I believe, uses 120 V and 50 Hz for their standard for AC electrical transmission. But we all recognize that the standard is arbitrary.
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You cannot occupy Nepal and Zimbabwe, simultaneously.
Actually, according to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics I do occupy Nepal and Zimbabwe simultaneously -- I just occupy Oklahoma more.
But, at any rate, the analogy is not apt. One culture considering an aristocrat killing a peasant wrong and another considering it right is not like occupying Nepal and Zimbabwe simultaneously. It is like, rather, one person thinking that 5'10" is tall and another thinking that it is short.

Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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