Haggard Scandal

Jesus is different from a Liberal in that He never suggested that people should be FORCED by the government to do all those good things. Obedience to God is an individual thing.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Haggard and his New Life church represent a brand of Christianity I'm not much in favor of myself, and one thing wrong with it is that its preaching is likely to be borderline worldly in order to attract unbelievers, and soft on sin among believers. But I doubt that's what you found chilling.

All those "liberal" values are for individuals, not for the state to enforce. That's all I'm saying. They are certainly Christian principles for believers to obey.

Um, I'm going to have to ask you now for a reference to that article and that quote, because I think I also read that article and I don't recall anything like that.

IF he carried on for three years in the way he is accused of then you have a point, but that has not been proved yet. Preaching against something for years that he is then enticed into himself afterward is a different situation. And we don't know yet what the actual story is.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This is simply false. We are NOT telling anyone how to live. People are free to sin all they like in their private lives. We are working to prevent the Left from forcing US to accept behavior that violates our moral principles, to treat it as normal, to regard something that can't possibly be marriage as marriage, to write it into the law of the land, representing the nation as a whole. If it weren't for the Left trying to cram THEIR moral principles, such as they are, down OUR throats, there wouldn't be an issue here.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't get anything about an intention to blow anything up from that. That "ka-boom" needs more context at least. And I find the reporter's attitude rather palpably sarcastic, not exactly objective or neutral. I suspect I would have plenty of my own objections to Pastor Ted's preaching, but they wouldn't be hers or yours.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Good post, holmes, and I think I agree with almost everything you said there.

He could be talking about an explosion he figures WILL happen for some reason or other without in any way implying he plans to have a part in it.Or he could be making fun of somebody's literalminded reading of "spiritual warfare" even, which it sounds like you have. Good grief, that's SPIRITUAL warfare, as in "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal..." meaning not physical, not of the flesh, but of the spirit, of things like prayer and preaching and Bible reading and maybe even exorcism, but not physical explosions. Sure sounded like that to me.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Christians have no magic shield of protection against sin. It takes dedicated practice of prayer and often it takes the help of other Christians to keep you straight. The fact is that Christians are more heavily targeted by the demonic hordes than anybody else is, always trying to get us off track, and they've studied our weak areas and know exactly what buttons to push, what lures to dangle in front of us, and being human, if we're not on the watch day and night as Jesus says to be, we can easily fall.In the case of Ted Haggard, he was obviously a major major target of not only the demonic hordes but the human beings who hate Christianity, the liberals who are thrilled that an evangelical leader was felled right before a major election, now gloating and sneering and thumping their chests.How such Christian leaders get themselves into such totally unprotected positions is the question. They should be aware of what they are up against more than the rest of us, and have a cadre of spiritual bodyguards watching them and praying for them all the time. Billy Graham seems always to have had his spiritual guard up. I have to admire him for that.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yeah it's mostly the name that conjures Irishman, but there was also that he reminded me of an enormous Leprechaun beaming down at me when we met. The facial features. I don't know how tall he was but he must have been quite tall. Of course I might have been stoned myself, having an Alice moment. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Does this mean anything to anyone here?

Thanks for that link. A truly Christian response from Ted Haggard.