Since you seem to have trouble reading this yourself I'll note the important parts.
para writes:
If there are imperfect replicators, and they replicate imperfectly in an environment where there is selective pressure, then logic dictates that these imperfect replicators evolve. It's what must happen in these circumstances.
2ice writes:
No, logic does not dictate this. We still do not understand why a certain group of chemical reactions based around the element carbon developed into a self replicating phenomenon. Nor do we understand why these replications first began evolving to "survive". Chemical reactions take place all the time. No other chemical reactions result in an evolutionary process that I am aware of. There is nothing logical to be understood about it as of yet. We are clueless as to why what we call organics resulted in evolution.
Para says
IF there are imperfect replicators. Your response goes on about chemicals giving rise to those imprefect replicators. That is a SEPARATE issue. Para says IF they exist and are under selective pressure then evolution is a logical necessity. You didn't answer that at all; not in the slightest.
You reply to my first note:
2ice writes:
Since when is biological evolution not chemical? It is in fact chemical evolution. DNA is just a complex molecule based on carbon. If he is saying replication in this instance evolved I can agree. To say it is ergo I cannot. This is the only example of the process we have. We have nothing to compare it to.
This has NOTHING to do with the issue. If you think it does please explain in detail why. Everything is a chemical. Again the statment is: WHEN there are imperfect replicators under selective pressure then evolution MUST occur. In the interests of forwarding the dicussion please address yourself to that.
Your last 3 sentences don't appear to make any sense at all.
2ice writes:
This was not specific to the process many call evolution that is to the best of our knowlegde unique to the earth. This starts with the basic idea of replicators and assumes evolution is logically inevitable.
My comments are right on point. To assume evolution is inevitable is completely illogical. We have no other examples of the evolutionary process. We have no way of knowing what other forms or directions it may take if it occurs elsewhere in the universe. If Parasomnium were to clarify and explain that the comments were earth evolution specific, I would have not have had reason to comment since where ever you go there you are. In other words, earth evolution is proof of itself. No kidding.
Please explain why another example is necessary. Perhaps you can ask Para to explain in more detail about exactly WHY evolution is a logical necessity based on the scenario he paints if you don't understand it. I agree that para has not detailed the reasoning behind it an that is what you should ask for since you are attacking his assertion with a bunch of non-sequiters you obviously don't understand his point.
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