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Message 96 of 126 (354623)
10-05-2006 11:56 PM

Reply to: Message 89 by nator
10-05-2006 9:18 PM

Most people living under Saddam Hussein led quite normal lives unaffected by their government, too.

But for a small minority of Iraqis, life under him was Hell on Earth.

I guess that leaves them 3 options. Conform, leave, or fight.

To me, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me" is a profound ethical principle and one I personally take to heart. I also believe that it was incorporated into the ethics of the Bill of Rights of the United States of America.

I'm not doing anything to anyone and I don't feel responsible for my govenrment.

then I suppose that you and I have very different principles and ethics.

Whatever the reason.....Duh!?

We also have very differing views on how much to trust those in power not to abuse that power. History both ancient and current provides ample reason to distrust.

Everything will be OK , I'm not worried about it.

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Message 97 of 126 (354624)
10-05-2006 11:56 PM

Reply to: Message 95 by Omnivorous
10-05-2006 11:54 PM

Whatever.

word.

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Message 102 of 126 (354719)
10-06-2006 7:17 AM

Reply to: Message 98 by tsig
10-06-2006 4:58 AM

Re: putting a face on it

Just sent your series of posts to the terrorist task force. Thought you'd like to know what the next nock on your door will be.

Fuck you.

Nuff kids. Stop it! AdminJar

Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.

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Message 114 of 126 (355040)
10-07-2006 6:56 PM

Reply to: Message 105 by nator
10-06-2006 6:28 PM

what does this have to do with wiretaps?

So, what ARE you saying if it isn't that?
Correct my misinterpretation.

I just don’t feel like going back through this thread and explaining it, nor do I care what you interpret. You try to make me look like I’m saying something I’m not.

Also, I notice you didn't answer my question:

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Although, I could say that if I was the terrorist who knew where the bomb was, I would want the enemy to torture me to find out where the bomb is so all those people wouldn't die, so technically, I would be doing onto them what I would want done to me

What on earth makes you think that we would restrict the use of torture to known terrorists?

Nothing.

That question doesn’t even make sense as a response to me.

You are responsible for your government in a democracy, no matter if you "feel" you are or not.

I don’t think so. At what point did I become responsible? Birth? The first time I voted?

I haven’t voted for a single person that is in office, how am I responsible for what they do?

Our government is "OF the people".

In theory but not in reality.

So, if you don't care if your government tortures people or erodes civil liberties or marches towards Authoritarianism and Fascism, it is the same as you torturing people, you taking away civil liberties, you paving the way of the Authoritarian direction it is taking.

That’s bullshit. I don’t believe that at all.

Let me add that its not that I don’t care if people are mistreated, its that its inevitable. A lot of bad shit is going to happen to a lot of bad people, that’s just the way things work. I’m not going to actively try to solve all the problems of the world.

I am saying that I think your principles and ethics are greatly lacking.

I can see how it looks that way. In person, I’m a really nice guy. I’m just not involved in politics in any way and I don’t want to be. Last election was the first time I voted, and a lot of good that did

I don’t think this government is ”of the people’ anymore, but as far as it concerns me, everything is going fine and will continue to do so. Its never going to be the case where everyone is happy and its not even worth the effort to try. Basically, a lot of people are gonna be fucked and there is nothing I can do about that. I’m sorry if my attitude is shitty on an anonymous internet forum, its not a good representation of who I really am.

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Message 115 of 126 (355041)
10-07-2006 7:00 PM

Reply to: Message 109 by Rahvin
10-07-2006 12:27 AM

Wow, "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself" means "let your neighbor get screwed, wrongfully imprisoned, tortured, and abused with no legal recourse or oversight, becasue it doesn't affect you."

That's good to know. Here I thought Christianity was a religion of charity, love, and compassion for your fellow man. I guess all that "what you do to the least of you, you do to me as well" stuff was just irrelevant ramblings, and Jesus didn't mean them.

Don't let me speak for christianity. Just because I'm a christian doesn't mean I'm a good one. I mean, I'm jut not doing a very good job of being chritian. How does that redefine all of the christian principles?

That entire attitude is selfish, uncaring, and is what led to Hitler's genocide of the Jews, as well as countless other travesties against humanity. It makes me sick.

Don't get sick over my attitude. I'll admit that I can be a little selfish and uncaring. I'm just a dead fish, going with the flow.

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Message 116 of 126 (355045)
10-07-2006 7:05 PM

Reply to: Message 110 by BMG
10-07-2006 3:00 PM

For instance, in one case, you murder someone by drowning them. In another, you see someone fall into a lake who cannot swim. You know this person cannot swim and is gulping water fast. Instead of helping the victim or calling for someone else to, you watch as the sufferer sinks beneath the water and drowns.

Well, you've added a lot of extra qualifiers like knowing they can't swim, not calling for help, and watching them die so I can't really say they are much different.

But, killing someone and letting someone die are not the same thing.

What's the moral difference between the two? Which is morally superior to the other?

Letting someone die is morally superior to killing someone. The difference is that you took no action in their death. Not doing something isn't the same as doing something, even if the result is the same.

ABE: don't reply here, start a new thread, this is way off topic.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

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Message 117 of 126 (355046)
10-07-2006 7:08 PM

Reply to: Message 111 by nator
10-07-2006 5:12 PM

I wonder what would happen if Catholic Scientist was a volunteer sunday school teacher at his parish and related his "I've got mine, the hell with everybody else" philosophy to the kids in his class?

That's really not my philosophy.

Also, isn't that kinda against rule #10 to be typing about me like that?

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