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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6382 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
Over in the thread on Discussion on Creation article... RAZD and BobAliceEve have been having an off-topic disagreement about whether the movie Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (B&C&T&A from here on in) is a porn movie or not.
It starts pretty much from when BobAliceEve joins the thread in message 36 and RAZD replies in message 38 with:
(I thought it was supposed to be bob and carol and ted and alice ...?) to which BobAliceEve replies in message 39:
Equating my name to a porn movie is insulting and demeaning. I bet you thought it was humorous? If you're interested in the arguments each puts forward you can follow the linked messages youself. Rather than make an off-topic comment in the original thread I created this Coffe House thread to argue whether B&C&T&A is a porn movie or not. I contend the answer is unequivocally "no". You could argue it is an adult-themed movie as suggested by the fact it got an 'R' certificate on release back in 1969 ('X' in the UK). This does not make it a porn movie. If it isn't a porn movie what is it? It can be viewed as a satire:
This stylish satire is a simultaneously poignant and amusing account of radical sexual experimentation, rampant with Nehru jackets, Pucci bikinis, love beads, and psychedelic parties. Roger Ebert's review from the time in the Chicago Sun-Times doesn't sound like a porno flick:
"Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice" isn't really about wife swapping at all, but about the epidemic of moral earnestness that's sweeping our society right now. I haven't seen that many porn movies but moral earnestness hasn't really been a theme of any of the ones I have watched
Time Out magazine in London thinks it's a satire:
Mazursky's sharp but sympathetic satire on the Encounter-group mindset and free-love ethos that swept certain areas of Californian life (Hollywood included, of course) in the late '60s. Other reasons to say it isn't a porn movie:
Edited by MangyTiger, : Fix '&E' to '&A' Oops! Wrong Planet
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
B&C&T&E Shurely shome mistake? Perhaps you were thinking of 'All about Eve', also not a porn film. TTFN, WK
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I got to go see it when it (back then I was still going to the movies) first came out and porn it is not. In fact, the reason that it got the 'R' rating was that it had words in it like 'vagina' that at that time were not used in polite company. Frankly, there was far more sexual content in "Ben Hur" or the "10 Commandments".
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Other reasons to say it isn't a porn movie: And no images of penises greater than 25 cm in length, either.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6382 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
D'oh!
Oops! Wrong Planet
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Coragyps writes:
No penises shown at all, unless I'm mistaken. Not even full-frontal female nudity. What's porn without gratuitous exposure?
And no images of penises greater than 25 cm in length, either. BobAliceEve said: quote: So any work that features extramarital affairs qualifies as porn? Does that include the story of David and Bathsheba? Edited by Belfry, : added link to BAE's post
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capeo Inactive Member |
I advise anyone who thinks its a porn movie not to rent an actual porn movie. Their heads may explode.
It's certainly a satire, by the way, one that actually champions fidelity.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
MangyTiger writes: It's been shown on ordinary broadcast TV over here.... It's been on ordinary broadcast TV over here, too, not long after it came out. I was young enough and bored enough that I can't imagine anybody considering it "pornography".
jar writes: ... there was far more sexual content in "Ben Hur" or the "10 Commandments". The Ten Commandments was the first movie I ever saw. I was about five.
MangyTiger writes: So BobAliceEve can you still seriously claim that B&C&T&A is a porn movie? Maybe it was the "T&A" that confused them. Edited by Ringo, : Miss-spelling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5018 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Not porn. Very good movie though.
Whatever happened to Paul Mazursky? Need to dig out my old copy of Harry And Tonto... Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
LOL
(oops, I'm told that using LOL is demeaning behavior ... :rolleyes we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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BobAliceEve Member (Idle past 5423 days) Posts: 107 From: Seattle, WA, USA Joined: |
It is always appreciated. I guess we will have to disagree on this though I can not see why an R/X rating for a movie about sexual relationships would not be sufficient to make it porn in at least intent. Possibly, we can agree that B&C&T&A is soft-porn?
My very best regards to all, Bob, Alice, and Eve
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I guess we will have to disagree on this though I can not see why an R/X rating for a movie about sexual relationships would not be sufficient to make it porn in at least intent. Um, maybe because it's possible to explore sexual relationships in a work without the intent being to cause someone to masturbate? By your definition, Romeo and Juliet is porn; Othello is porn.
Possibly, we can agree that B&C&T&A is soft-porn? With little to no nudity? How can it be porn of any kind?
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I, too, saw BCT&A when it first came out. It's about a couple who decides that having affairs is good for their marriage, and they try to encourage another couple to engage in wife-swapping. There is no nudity and no bad language.
It was given an R rating in a different time. Today an R rating is a death sentence for a movie, but back then R movies were popular. They were popular because they were good movies that today would be given a PG-13 rating. It was not that many years before BCT&A that WOR radio in New York was sanctioned by the FCC for using the word pregnant on the air. Take the times into account. You'll see far worse on MTV today. Also, even today an R rating is not porn. Porn is X. And even some X movies are not porn. The best way to tell that BCT&A isn't porn? Since it's easily available at Blockbuster, find out how many 13-year old boys are renting it. I bet the number is close to 0. BCT&A is porn! Sheesh! Even the Bible's got worse. --Percy
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subbie Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Possibly, we can agree that B&C&T&A is soft-porn? Either you have an extraordinarily screwy idea about what soft porn is, or you've never seen B&C&T&A. Or both. My money is on both. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I recall this movie, and I remember a line from it. One of the wives says to the guy (not her husband), "Let's do it. It's just physical fun."
The conclusion, in which no swapping ever takes place, is meant, I think, to put forth the idea that it's not JUST "physical fun."
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