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Percy
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Message 16 of 32 (340778)
08-17-2006 10:07 AM
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08-17-2006 5:52 AM


Re: Thank you all for your feedback
BobAliceEve writes:
Possibly, we can agree that B&C&T&A is soft-porn?
I don't think so. Anyone attempting to sell BCT&A as soft porn would be forced to return people's money. This picture is from the final scene:
Before climbing into bed the girls walk around for a bit in underwear that is more like bathing suits, and that's about as good (or bad, depending upon your perspective) as it gets.
It was titillating in 1969 and rated R.
It isn't porn.
It isn't soft porn.
It's a PG-13 movie.
Watch this movie yourself if you don't believe it. Reading the comments over at IMDB, a lot of people seem to think it has held up to the passage of time rather well.
--Percy

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Modulous
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Message 17 of 32 (340781)
08-17-2006 10:26 AM


If Bob Carol et al is porn
Then Easy Rider is - and then some. Blimey, who'd have thought Jack Nicholson a porn star and Dennis Hopper a porn film director.
Indeed - we'd probably have to classify the Exorcist as child porn too...
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 18 of 32 (340783)
08-17-2006 10:37 AM
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08-17-2006 10:26 AM


Re: If Bob Carol et al is porn
Oh, you're right! I had no idea I had seen so many porn movies. Easy Rider, Diary of a Mad Housewife, Love in Blume, Red Sky at Morning, Midnight Cowboy, not to mention The Prime of Miss Jean Brody, Animal House and the Woodstock documentary, which could only be classified as hard porn! The list just goes on and on.
I had no idea I was so prurient! My wife doesn't like porn, wait'll I tell her that some of her favorite movies are porn!
--Percy

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Message 19 of 32 (340789)
08-17-2006 10:56 AM
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08-17-2006 10:07 AM


Re: Thank you all for your feedback
Percy writes:
(link to picture)
Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/81/77/48m.jpg" on this server.
Reference #24.d491644.1155826265.4fe9ad5

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Percy
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Message 20 of 32 (340794)
08-17-2006 11:24 AM
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08-17-2006 10:56 AM


Re: Thank you all for your feedback
nwr writes:
Percy writes:
(link to picture)
Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/81/77/48m.jpg" on this server.
Reference #24.d491644.1155826265.4fe9ad5
Interesting - I guess I'm special!
You can see it at IMDb | Help.
AbE: I think I know what is happening. Once I'd viewed the original page at IMDB, that image was in my cache, so when I displayed the image by itself it was fetched successfully from my cache. I think that if you view the original page by clicking on the above link and then refresh this page that you'll see the image in my message.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Added a comment.

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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 32 (340880)
08-17-2006 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Percy
08-17-2006 10:37 AM


Re: If Bob Carol et al is porn
Midnight Cowboy
Midnight Cowboy, as I recall, is the only X-rated movie to win an Oscar in any category.
It's still not porn, of course. I've seen some pretty trashy movies, thanks to a good buddy of mine who's a big John Waters fan. For instance "Pink Flamingoes", starring female impersonator "Divine" in the tale of a heated rivalry between a fat trashy broad and a cabal of malefactors who inseminate transients to harvest the babies to sell to childless lesbians, all to finance their secret plot to hook pre-schoolers into doing and dealing dope.
And it's still not porn. It's not a movie I'd recommend to the squeamish - there's a lot of sex with/amidst chickens, and a park flasher who's so under-endowed he has to "augment" himself with a hot dog so that he has something to flash - and it does have considerable nudity, but it isn't pornography, that is, it is not a recording of sexual intercourse with the intent to sexually stimulate. The intent is to be disgusting, not titilating.

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Message 22 of 32 (341009)
08-18-2006 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MangyTiger
07-26-2006 10:46 AM


Do I need this? I hope not.
Hi....
I received an anonymous tip that my name was being abused here so I came to set the record straight.
My relationship with the person who owns this ID is purely professional. In fact, one could report that our relationship is all "What about Bob" and no "Bob and...Alice". I am said person's shrink.
Said person has been diagnosed as paranoid and a little delusional. Said person has a character defect of becoming too attatched to too few people. Eve is a figment of said person's imagination.
Said person occasionally sends me emails I can not read. I am not sure what that is all about but said person says that the emails are cryptic and would I please get and use the key. I reply that I have no use for the key as I will not come to said person's house - even to find out what the email says.
Said person has told me a about friends here and, while I don't recommend "cyberspace" as a residence, it is good to know that said person is interacting with other (apparently) living people. You might be good for said person.
Please do not reply to this post (as it seems to be called) as I do not want said person to know I spoke to you about our relationship (doctor/patient relationship you know). In our most recent hour together it was disclosed that several projects lie ahead for said person so my message to you will probably pass unnoticed if you do not reply.
Most Sincerely,
Alice (Phd, MSW, etc)

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Message 23 of 32 (341013)
08-18-2006 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by BobAliceEve
08-18-2006 6:50 AM


Re: Do I need this? I hope not.
You need to up your meds.

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Message 24 of 32 (341058)
08-18-2006 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by BobAliceEve
08-18-2006 6:50 AM


Re: Do I need this? I hope not.
If I was paranoid, I wouldn't give my psychiatrist the password to my Internet accounts.

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BobAliceEve
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Message 25 of 32 (341326)
08-19-2006 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MangyTiger
07-26-2006 10:46 AM


Well, I too want to set the record straight!
"Bob" is not delusional - I do exist. And he is not paranoid - I AM trying to read his encrypted email (not because I want to but because that is my role in life). And he and I do not have any relationship beyond this.
Alice is so un-tech that she calls encrypted cryptic. I gave her his password and account just so she would do something stupid like this so that "Bob" will realize who his real enemy is.
Happy decrypting,
Eve

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Percy
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Message 26 of 32 (341331)
08-19-2006 9:54 AM
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08-19-2006 9:08 AM


But given the topic, the relevant question is whether you and Alice understand that BCT&A is neither porn nor soft-porn, and if so, can you explain it to Bob?
--Percy

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Message 27 of 32 (341373)
08-19-2006 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Percy
08-19-2006 9:54 AM


Reminds me of Garrett & Asimov's poem, Clone of my own.
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With its Y-chromosome changed to X
And when it is grown
Then my own little clone
Will be of the opposite sex.
(Chorus)
Clone, clone of my own,
With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
And when I'm alone
With my own little clone
We will both think of nothing but sex.
Oh, give me a clone
In my sorrowful moan
A clone that is wholly my own.
And if she's an X
Of the feminine sex
Oh, what fun we will have when we're prone.
My heart's not of stone,
As I've frequently shown
When alone with my own little X
And after we've dined
I am sure we will find
Better incest than Oedipus Rex.
Why should such sex vex
Or disturb or perplex
Or induce a disparaging tone.
After all, don't you see
Since we're both of us me
When we're having sex, I'm alone.
And after I'm done
She will still have her fun
For I'll clone myself twice ere I die.
And this time without fail,
They'll be both of them male
And they'll ravage her by and by.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 28 of 32 (341380)
08-19-2006 12:16 PM
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08-19-2006 12:03 PM


Since we're both of us me
When we're having sex, I'm alone.
Pedofiliast self abuse? LOL. (should be on the humor II thread -- call the admins, this is off topic ... )

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crashfrog
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Message 29 of 32 (341386)
08-19-2006 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Percy
08-19-2006 9:54 AM


I wouldn't worry. If he's good enough, Charlie already knows, and he'll explain it to Bob.

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BobAliceEve
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Message 30 of 32 (341708)
08-20-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MangyTiger
07-26-2006 10:46 AM


crashfrog writes:
I, too, saw BCT&A when it first came out. It's about a couple who decides that having affairs is good for their marriage, and they try to encourage another couple to engage in wife-swapping. There is no nudity and no bad language.
Thank you for agreeing that the movie is about affairs and encourages wife-swapping.
crashfrog writes:
Um, maybe because it's possible to explore sexual relationships in a work without the intent being to cause someone to masturbate? By your definition, Romeo and Juliet is porn; Othello is porn.
Sorry but no. I have seen both "Otello" (the spelling here is taken directly from a poster I have on my wall) and "Romeo and Juliet" a few times and there is nothing R about either.
crashfrog writes:
Before climbing into bed the girls walk around for a bit in underwear that is more like bathing suits, and that's about as good (or bad, depending upon your perspective) as it gets.
It was titillating in 1969 and rated R.
Nothing R about "Otello", "Romeo and Juliet", or the statues in the other thread - in any age. And the question is not good or bad - it is good or evil.
jar writes:
It's certainly a satire, by the way, one that actually champions fidelity.
This contradicts crashfrog. Fidelity is the opposite of affairs and wife-swapping. Who can one trust?
belfry writes:
any work that features extramarital affairs qualifies as porn? Does that include the story of David and Bathsheba?
Again, thank you for agreeing that this is about extramarital affairs.
I am not saying that any work that features extramarital affairs qualifies as porn. The story of David and Bathsheba is 1) history and 2) does not promote (vs simply feature) extramarital affairs. B&C&T&A is 1) not history and 2) does promote (vs simply feature) extramarital affairs.
Extramarital affairs are called adultry in the Book where the history of David and Bathsheba is reported. And adultry is condemmed (vs promoted) in that same Book. Wifeswapping is far worse an activity to promote (vs historically report) because it implies ownership of a female (sexual slavery) on top of adultry.
You may continue to "call good evil and evil good" if you wish and therby promote evil. As far as I can tell, however, "{I} was endowed by {my} Creator (the author of the Book mentioned above) with certain inalienable rights" including the "liberty" to both exist in the context of and promote my Creator's definition of good. If porn is the incorrect label for this movie then it is because the movie's intent is worse than simply sexual stimulation. And I find being placed in that context discusting. Possibly, one of you would be willing to offer an adjective that conveys this thought? If so, I will use it instead of porn.
Very best regards to all,
Bob and Alice and Eve

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