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Author Topic:   Has EvC changed your beliefs?
2ice_baked_taters
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Message 181 of 223 (329751)
07-08-2006 1:14 AM


I came here out of curriousity. I was very tired of other typical formats where people rant on end and topics deteriorated. This sight has many people willing to discuss topics at length. That is refreshing. I find that this sight has it's shortcomings in that a subject can be discussed too narrowly. I also have learned that to come from the point of view that science will reveal the truth as some believe here, is a falicy. As I have come to understand it, This will reveal a view of facts. I have come to understand just how tentative all science truly is. How subject it is to point of view. I have come to see science in the light of dogma just as any other religion. I had never seen that fact before I came here. The idea of science is great but you can't escape the influence of the source. I have come to understand that sciences aproach requires that one denies the source.
Science searches for the causality instead of recognizing me.
I am hardly anti science. Grew up inhaling stuff about bugs and planets and lots of interesting and wonderful things. The basice idea of evolution makes perfect sense. To pit it against creationism is comparing apples to the plannet. Evolution is one small view of an unknown picture who's expanse we can only guess at. It is not involved with the nature or depth of human spirit that creationism is attatched to. Then there are those who demand evidence of human spirit and on and on it goes.
I have learned that by scientific observation that the best evidence is simply repeatable observable occurances. What they are and what they mean must be defined by us. How we see things is how we will define things and how we will determine what they mean to us.
I have learned that facts do not matter. They have no meaning. We bring meaning to facts. How we interpret them and what we do with them is what has meaning. I have come to understand that our understanding of facts is second fiddle to our understanding of each other and ourselves. A fact is nothing. Meaning is everything.
This is what I have come to understand since I have come here.
A simple synopsis of my take is this.
What is music. Let us examine it. Wonderfull. We may learn.
There comes a point when one can anal-ise the feeling right out of music. It loses it's meaning. Shut up and listen or shut up and play.

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2ice_baked_taters
Member (Idle past 5881 days)
Posts: 566
From: Boulder Junction WI.
Joined: 02-16-2006


Message 198 of 223 (329853)
07-08-2006 12:00 PM


I have learned through observation that this topic is a synopsis of the happening of the evc forum. It further illustrates to me the misunderstanding that science will bring people to a meaningful understanding. Science has nothing to do with what is taking place currently in this topic or this sight. It is a search for meanings. Not an understanding of facts but of meanings. We choose to define meaning.
Our choices define us. How do you choose to define yourself? That is what goes on at this forum in a nutshell as I have come to understand it.
"Science" dogma says let me observe. Nothing personal.
That is they key misunderstanding as I have come to understand from my observation. The very disconect that the dogma requires to observe contradicts the conection that is required. I have come to understand that only belief has meaning. Meaning is all that matters. It is why we do everything we choose to do. This is what I have come to understand while I have been here.

  
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