Could this really have happened?

Like throwing out the head of a perfectly good T-Rex, I guess. Yea, understood, but why would you throw out the part of the story that is providing us with information that will influence the outcome of this debate?Razor to Samons head is what the ring is to the Lord of the Rings. Not some cake. Holy shit, I don't think I've ever witnessed so much stupidity in any other thread in this forum.And the hair was there since when? Yes, I understand what YOUR saying, now try to understand what I am saying. IT wasn't just his hair. It was the hair on his head that had not been touched from birth, just like the story goes. Once cut, the power was gone FOREVER in the eys of the Philistines. Makes perfect sense, because the power was indeed gone, even though his hair grew back.It's so obvious, that my 9 year old picked my version when I presented both cases from a moderaters perspective. I was curious to see which one he would pick, so I gave both a fair chance. That is not the whole point, that is the wrong point. Not to the Philistines, only to us, and Samson. Now your starting to understand why they let his hair grow back. The Philistines believed they only had to cut his hair once, because it was never cut since birth. It's what they believed, what they did, and what happened. What's the problem?

When asked where he got his strength from, his words were:I amazed at your ignorance on this. Then why did they let it grow back? You made that up. Ah ha!!! We are getting somewhere.Nothing would destroy his power forever? Tell me, how would he get back his hair that was with him since birth? I know you think that, but that's not the case.
1. because it was his hair from birth
2 becasue they let it grow back
3 because he did not regain his strength after it grew back.omg dude. lies, stay out the playground creep Yes, based on what Samson told them. That it was his hair from birth. Cut it, gone for good, bye-bye, adios, see-ya, wouldn't want to be ya, aloha, strength gone put another quarter in, to tired to pop, wimpy wimpy wimpy. You have not made a case why. You have only told us that is what you think. They only cut his hair, cough, cough once.If your right, then that measn the Philistines were retarded, and they didn't need Samson's strength to defeat them. They could have just told them some lame story and killed them all.

Message 53
I have done that all already, you just don't accept it, and your not giving a reason why. Now your repeating yourself. We have been through this already.If you started growing your hair long from today for 3 years, and 3 years from now, someone said to you, "wow, what long hair, how long have you been growing it?" Your answer would be 3 years.If you never cut your hair from birth, and someone came up to you and said, "wow, what long hair, how long have you been growing it?" Your answer would be, from birth. "birth hair" No, he got his strength when he reconciled with the Lord. There was an unknown period of time where had no power, and had hair, and the Philistines were aware of this. The Philistines died inside the temple, not really knowing who what were or why Samson was able to do what he did. Yes it does.
And that is what happened. I have done that already.
Message 53
Add that facts of the story, and make LOGICAL conclusion, and a not stupid assertion. You really don't understand this?

I guess your reading comnprehension is low.Please point out in this thread where I make an assertion that this story is true.Please find the line where I express how I feel about the story.What is the topic?Until today, I used to think that everyone in EVC was smart.

Not when his hair grew back.
One of the facts mentioned in Message 53I think your the one who doesn't understand.
Get a hair cut today and tomorrow. Take one piece of hair from both days, and hold them side by side. You have 2 pieces of hair, they cannot be the same.They may have came from the same place, but they are not exactly the same, that is what I have been saying throughout this thread.Not cutting his hair from birth was a symbol of who he was. Once it was cut, he broke that symbol, and could never be that person again, unless the Lord allowed it. The Philistines knew that Nazirites had not recived haircuts, and it was a symbol of who they were. The Philistines thought it was from that symbol of uncut hair from birth (or birth hair) that he drew his strength. We know that it was from God.He lost his power from God once he betrayed God, and told the girl, not when his hair was cut, but the Philistines could not have known exactly when he lost his power, so it appeared to them to be lost when his hair was cut.Then his hair grew back, but his power did not return immediatly. It only returned when he reconciled with God. The Philistines probably had no idea how his power returned. Or we don't know what the Philistines thought, because the bible doesn't mention it, and they are all dead. That statement you made, has nothing to do with the statement I made.
Not once did I ever claim that the Philistines thought his power was from God. I think I mentioned that about 5 times already. Not a seperate source of strength. It was the same strength given to him by God, the same God. God gave Samson the power back when he repented and called for it.28 Samson called to Yahweh, and said, "Lord Yahweh, remember me, please, and strengthen me, please, only this once, God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes."Why would Samson say Lord remember me?Because the Lord forgot about him, when the Philistines were gouging his eyes out. Samson had not strength to defend himself, and the Philistines knew it. Another fact from Message 53The bible mentions his hair growing back, to show us that his hair grew back, and his power didn't. When his hair grew back, he was still in chains. So we have a situation where Samson has hair, and no strength. Something the Philistines could plainly see. They had believed that his power would go from him forever, and were not worried about his hair growing back, and they were right. Becasue there he was, with hair, and no power.So the "same hair" your claiming had nothing to do with his power. It was the symbol of his hair that had never had a razor to it, from birth (birth hair) was a convenant from God.Back in chaptor 13:5 for, behold, you shall conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb: and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines."Obviously no razor coming to his head, had to do with him saving Israel. How did he try to save Israel? With his strength, given to him by God. The strength was given to help Samson save Israel.

Have you even read this thread?

Is killing someone coming into contact with a dead person?When Samson struck them, they were still alive.The Nazirite vow involved 3 things - no alcohol, including all products of the grape vine, uncut hair for a time, and no contact with the dead:"And The Lord said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to The Lord, he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink; he shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink, and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried. All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins. All the days of his vow of separation no razor shall come upon his head; until the time is completed for which he separates himself to The Lord, he shall be holy; he shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long. All the days that he separates himself to The Lord he shall not go near a dead body. Neither for his father nor for his mother, nor for brother or sister, if they die, shall he make himself unclean; because his separation to God is upon his head. All the days of his separation he is holy to The Lord." (Numbers 6:1-8 RSV)Since when does being Holy mean being non-violent in the OT?

No it's not funny.What is meant exactly by the expression "coming into contact with dead people?"Why does the bible contradict itself so blatently in this regard?When you strike someone down, they are not dead yet. They live on long enough for you to leave, and not actually come into contact with them.

You know, this thread has become so comical to me. I am beyond fustrated. Many times I have discussions here on these forums, and I am not sure about things, so when people present their cases, I either back down, or educate myself to the correct answer.This thread has been nothing but one misunderstanding after another.It's like you say blue, and I say black, then brenna says 9, and jar says 12, all ringo says is no, no,no, and it's all supposed to mean something? According to the story, not my belief's. I have stated my belief's several times already.And when I refer to "what happened" that was refering to samson having hair, and not having power. Just like the Philistines thought would happen (ACCORDING TO THE STORY) ​

That is exactly what he told her. He said he was a Nazirite from birth.If you cut your hair, you are no longer a Nazirite.When i said to you earlier "the strength is in the hair dude" I was just making light of it. I hope you didn't take that seriously. When you say your a Nazirite, you are with the Lord. I am not sure he broke any other vows.
We can discuss it.
Remember I told you, I am not some kind of bible expert or a literalist. I am learning as we go. I have a pretty good knowledge, but far from being an expert. Isn't this part of another story?

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16:3 Arose - Perhaps warned by God in a dream; or rather by the checks of his own conscience. Went away - The watch - men not expecting him 'till morning, and therefore being now retired into the sides, or upper part of the gate - house, as the manner now is, to get some rest, to fit themselves for their hard service intended in the morning: nor durst they pursue him, whom they now again perceived to have such prodigious strength, and courage; and to be so much above the fear of them, that he did not run away with all speed, but went leisurely. Hebron - Which was above twenty miles from Gaza. And Samson did this not out of vain ostentation, but as an evidence of his great strength, for the encouragement of its people to join with him vigorously; and for the greater terror and contempt of the Philistines. It may seem strange that Samson immediately after so foul a sin should have courage and strength from God, for so great a work. But first, It is probable, that Samson had in some measure repented of his sin, and begged of God pardon and assistance. This singular strength and courage was not in itself a grace, but a gift, and it was such a gift as did not so much depend on the disposition of his mind, but on the right ordering of his body, by the rule given to him, and others of that order.

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16:1-3 Hitherto Samson's character has appeared glorious, though uncommon. In this chapter we find him behaving in so wicked a manner, that many question whether or not he were a godly man. But the apostle has determined this, Heb 11:32. By adverting to the doctrines and examples of Scripture, the artifices of Satan, the deceitfulness of the human heart, and the methods in which the Lord frequently deals with his people, we may learn useful lessons from this history, at which some needlessly stumble, while others cavil and object. The peculiar time in which Samson lived may account for many things, which, if done in our time, and without the special appointment of Heaven, would be highly criminal. And there might have been in him many exercises of piety, which, if recorded, would have reflected a different light upon his character. Observe Samson's danger. Oh that all who indulge their sensual appetites in drunkenness, or any fleshly lusts, would see themselves thus surrounded, way-laid, and marked for ruin by their spiritual enemies! The faster they sleep, the more secure they feel, the greater their danger. We hope it was with a pious resolution not to return to his sin, that he rose under a fear of the danger he was in. Can I be safe under this guilt? It was bad that he lay down without such checks; but it would have been worse, if he had laid still under them.

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After reading that I don't know. To me it doesn't sound plausible, or if it did happen, then all the information is not there, and many details are left out as to why. Irrelevant, in the story he did not call out to God, until the end, and that is when God restored his power. To ask the question, why didn't he pray before is silly, because we know when he prayed.note: it is not necessary to have your "birth hair" to be a Nazirite, or to be right with God, but it was a symbol for Samson. He was a special Nazirite to save Israel. But he blew it.So the bad in his life led him back to God. I can understand that. I find God in it. I never said anything to that effect.
I said the opposite, explaining that verse where his hair grows back, but he does not have power. The hair that had never been cut from birth. As far as I am concerned, he will never have that hair again, he will have to grow new hair, which will not have been on his head from birth. Like thirty times now, I have shown a way around this. The Philistines did not just think it was his hair, period. They thought it was because he was never shaven from birth.17 He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."I think I pasted that verse several times now. They go together, those 2 sentences, in one verse, to explain where his power came from, and what the Philistines thought about his power. You cannot ignore certain words of the verse to suite your arguement. I don't think so, because he is Nazirite from birth. He is always with the Lord. I do think that many details are left out. He wasn't a Nazirite by choice, like other Nazirites. It was a gift from God to be that way, and he destroyed that gift.I think only John the Baptist was the other Nazirite from birth.
He posessed a special gift also. Am I adding to the text by pointing out that he was a Nazirite from birth, so he is always with the Lord? Have you ever wondered what God was trying to teach us through this story? It's good to nit-pick, but don't let it drive you mad. Instead ask God yourself what is meant by it. It's only a small piece of a very large puzzle. Do you believe in God? That was the specific vow mentioned by the angel, not the other 2.There are only 3 vows to voluntary become a Nazirite.
Samson was not a Nazirite voluntarily. He had a purpose in life to save Israel.
If the bible is telling us this story, and Samson is breaking vows, then it must have been meant for him only. It was plainly obvious what a Nazirite was, and how he was supposed to behave.It would be like me telling you 2+2=5, right after I told you the answer was 4.Samson was different that other Nazirites.

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6:1-21 The word Nazarite signifies separation. Some were appointed of God, before their birth, to be Nazarites all their days, as Samson and John the Baptist. But, in general, it was a vow of separation from the world and devotedness to the services of religion, for a limited time, and under certain rules, which any person might make if they pleased. A Nazarite is spoken of as well known; but his obligation is brought to a greater certainty than before. That the fancies of superstitious men might not multiply the restraints endlessly, God gives them rules. They must not drink wine or strong drink, nor eat grapes. Those who separate themselves to God, must not gratify the desires of the body, but keep it under. Let all Christians be very moderate in the use of wine and strong drink; for if the love of these once gets the mastery of a man, he becomes an easy prey to Satan. The Nazarites were to eat nothing that came of the vine; this may teach the utmost care to avoid sin, and all that borders upon it, and leads to it, or may be a temptation to us. They must not cut their hair. They must neither poll their heads, nor shave their beards; this was the mark of Samson being a Nazarite. This signified neglect of the body, and of the ease and ornament of it. Those who separate themselves to God, must keep their consciences pure from dead works, and not touch unclean things. All the days of their separation they must be holy to the Lord. This was the meaning of those outward observances, and without this they were of no account. No penalty or sacrifice was appointed for those who wilfully broke their vow of being Nazarites; they must answer another day for such profane trifling with the Lord their God; but those were to be relieved who did not sin wilfully. There is nothing in Scripture that bears the least resemblance to the religious orders of the church of Rome, except these Nazarites. But mark the difference, or rather how completely opposed! The religious of that church are forbidden to marry; but no such restriction is laid upon the Nazarites. They are commanded to abstain from meats; but the Nazarites might eat any food allowed other Israelites. They are not generally forbidden wine, not even on their fasting days; but the Nazarites might not have wine at any time. Their vow is lasting, even to the end of their lives; the Nazarites' vow was only for a limited time, at their own will; and in certain cases not unless allowed by husbands or parents. Such a thorough difference there is between rules of man's invention and those directed in Scripture, Let us not forget that the Lord Jesus is not only our Surety, but also our example. For his sake we must renounce worldly pleasures, abstain from fleshy lusts, be separate from sinners, make open profession of our faith, moderate natural affections, be spiritually-minded, and devoted to God's service, and desirous to be an example all around us.

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Not really since he was 1 of only 2 people to be a Nazirite from birth. The other had not been born yet. Because it was his "birth hair" that they were concerned about (chuckle)Remember to, they believed that their god had delivered Samson to them. So they were victorious. Samson's power was gone for good. When it was long, or when it was long AND he reconciled with God?
Which one is more important? But you taught them to believe this. Did you even mention my arguement at all?It was probably in your presentation.And thank you, you just provided proof of what I said in another thread, that our education system is down playing the bible, and leading our children into a state of dis-belief. Deep and philosophical?17 He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."There very little to get philosophical about in that verse. Ther are maybe but a few points.1 all his heart (he meant it)
2 No razor has ever come on my head(that means he had the same hair from birth)
3 for I have been (because)
4 a Nazirite to God from my mothers womb ( he was with God from the womb)
5 If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man." (in other words, he will blow it, all those years without shaving his head, he can never get that back, he will never be that special Nazirite again)Pretty straight forward. That's not all they were told, why leave it out? By reconciling with God. Or, your not interpreting it correctly.The notes in the quote boxes were from this page:
Judges 16:1 One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute and went in to spend the night with her.

Let me try and explain this another way.17 He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."His exact words were, if I am shaved, my strength will go from me.
He mentions nothing about the power being in his hair or not.He got shaved, lost his power, and that was it. As far as the Philistines were concerned.

Busted!I could have wrote that diferrently, since I guess i didn't mean it that way.It could have been God.How's that?

It seems like your not reading it.He asks for REASONS why the stories are not plausible, and then gives one (talking about Samson only) I address this reason, which was a question "why did the Philistines let his hair grow back?" and show why, according to the story, that they let it grow back.So you'll have to find another reason.I am not saying if the story is true or not, just addressing the OP, correctly.It is important to understand the story, the way it is written. Doesn't make it true or untrue. Yes. Because if you read the thread, you wouldn't have mentioned that to me. Sounds like one to me also, but I won't completely dismiss it based on what I think it is. I am definately not smart, or as smart as I would like to be, I am but a mere speck in the universe, but at least I can understand why the Philistines let his hair grow back, after studying it a little bit.

From your link.