Could this really have happened?

But your just adding stuff to the story.Let's look at the facts, according to the story, and you can see there is perfectly good logic in them letting his hair grow back.Fact 1
"No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb
(His hair was from birth)fact 2
If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."
(If he is shaved, he will loose his strength)fact 3
22 However the hair of his head began to grow again after he was shaved.
(his hair grew back)fact 4
25 It happened, when their hearts were merry, that they said, "Call for Samson, that he may entertain us." They called for Samson out of the prison; and he performed before them. They set him between the pillars;
(even though his hair grew back, he did not have his power)(if your going to ask a question, ask why he did not have his power, even though his hair grew back)(to me it is obvious from this fact that the
Philistines knew exactly what they were doing, and knew his power had left him for good, however they did not know where the strength actually came from, all Samson had to do was reconcile with God, and it didn't matter if he had hair or not)I think it is safe to say from the facts of the story, that once a razer was taken to his head, he was to loose his power forever. And that is exactly what happened. The strength was in his birth hair, not just his hair.So why ask the question, "why let his hair grow back"?
It is an illogical question.Just examine the facts of the story and you can see why. Don't add stuff to it, that isn't there.

That is not the moral of the story. There is no evidence that the pharohs brain was soft. He made an intelligent decision, which led to the loss of Samson's strength.

It's obvious that they didn't know about the convenant between him and God, and that it could be reconciled. Yes, I will agree with that. That still has nothing to do with the question: "why did they let his hair grow back?" Because it wasn't his power, it was God's. After the birth hair was cut, letting his hair grow back had nothing to do with the strength that he drew from the Lord. So the Philistines were ok in letting his hair grow back, as far as they knew. I can't believe your asking this question again. They wouldn't have thought that since he would never regain his birth hair. Remember, he told the girl, a razor was never taken to his head. That is part of the story.Examine the facts again. But this time try to make sense of them. Yea, I know. He made an incorrect statement, but I thought I would point out that it has nothing to do with anything.

Who might that be? Well we just dealt with the first one. The "logical" question of "why did they let his hair grow back?" And we find that it is an illogical question, and that you have mis-understood the story. Because that is why he was born. He was fulfilling his purpose in life. The bible covers that also.

I know what you think the story means, but that does not make it so.
You are making an assertion here, and not backing it up with anything.I could reiterate the whole thing again in a different way, something similar I do with handicap kids until they get it, but I think the most important question here is, if the Philistines thought that the power was in his hair, and not just his birth hair, then why did they let it grow back?It's the same question used at the start of the topic, but now it means something different.The answer is, they let it grow back, because they thought the power was in his birth hair. Remember, a razor was NEVER taken to his head, that is part of the story. It says that more than once in Judges. You can't ignore that, and substitute your own reality. No it doesn't your making that up. It's not my idea, it is the way the story goes, it explains it from many angles, and cannot mean anything else. They are talking about birth hair only. It is so obvious, because his hair grew back, and he did not regain his power. If it is a nonsensical story or not, remains to be seen. The question was, could this have happened. Then the logic behind thinking it couldn't have, was the question "why did they let his hair grow back if they thought the power was in the hair?"But as we examine the story, that no longer becomes a logical question, because the power was in the birth hair, and the Philistines knew it, so that question cannot be used to make the claim that it is a nonsensical story, you'll have to attack it from another angle. Well they didn't and the power did not return when his hair grew back, so what now? Seems like they weren't that dumb, and they knew exactly what was going on. It seems you and Brian are the ones confused about the hair. Samson was a sucker for woman. He had troubles with woman throughout Judges. He was foolish in that regard. He wanted to get laid, and he wanted to sin. A typical man. Love is blind, but you make a good point, this time, in that he should have known she would betray him, because she tried three times in a row, unless he thought he wouldn't actually lose his power, then he doesn't care. The fact that he made a major mistake like that, just makes him human, that's all. This is a prime example of how the bad in your life can lead you to God. People are only smart in history, when trying to prove the bible wrong? that's a mistake. History doesn't change, it repeats itself. I think the same thing still happens to this day, when it comes to the moral of the story. I know I have fallen pray to a few vicious woman. You may call me dumb, but hey, it happens.

What things? Please list them. Now your attacking the person, not the arguement, a tactic your imploying because your losing the debate? Pathetic. So you agree with me? I guess your inventing things also.

answer to question 1: I never said it must be God. We are not discussing that here, and it is off-topic.answer to question 2: Doesn't matter to me if it is fictional or not, I expressed this earlier in the thread, but you missed it. Then if your smart enough, you should have been able to explain it the way I did.I am not some bible genius here, I just researched it, and read a few chapters before and after, and it made perfect sense to me. Your question had no place in the story. This two statements contradict each other.
It's a bible. Fine, but by using logic, you can tell if the story fits or not, and not ask illogical questions like "why did they let the hair grow back?"It's actually ok to ask that question, but to deny the answer given is foolish. I never said it was an accurate record, I cannot know this. If it did happen, then yes, there are details missing. Maybe, but not definitely. I agree. It was what happened. Oh, so now your a literalist? My conclusion was based on what I read, in 5 different versions, and three commentaries. Because the King did not know it was a lie. So the King thought they were being lawful. I am talking about the Kings perspective, not God's, so you know. They may appear absolute, but they are not, I am open to anything. I have made that statement already, anything is possible. Yea sure, if we read on, we learn just how he judges Israel, with super human strength. (judges 16:17) I did not make it up, it is how the story goes. 5 for, behold, you shall conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb: and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines."17 He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."Where's the confusion, I don't get it. I don't see how it becomes a prerequisite to say "the spirit of the Lord comes upon him" every time he does something. Which bible verse says it is? Your ad-hoc-ing.To me he calls out to God at the end, and then he has the strength to pull the pillars. It seems obvious where the strength came from. That is an unnecessary statement. You have no clue what I follow or not.Go here:Judges 16:1 One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute and went in to spend the night with her.
And read some of the commentaries.Also in the NIV study bible, it has notes that reflect the commentaries, and other verses that relate to the ones we are talking about. I think you need to be fair and read those also.It is obvious throughout the bible where people draw their strength from. It says it way to many times to miss.I can relate to these stories, because I have come in unison with the idea of where my strength comes from. They can still be applied to today’s world, and I thank God for the stories.

lmao I never said that. I mentioned the idea that maybe they had more of a function than just attending births. He didn't? Or he didn't believe, 2 different things. And it didn't. Pretty basic stuff. Yes, he did, according to the way I read the story, so I am not makling it up. Reading the story wrong perhaps, but that remains to be seen. You just added that last part in, why.Your so full of shit, you know that.You've gone so far off your own topic, that you have no clue where you are. Your full of slander.Stick to your topic, and then we can continue. I still don't know how anyone could deny what I am saying about Samsons birth hair to be true after all that was discussed. No there isn't, because you haven't come up with one yet. You have yet to prove that I invented anything yet, and I gave references to where I drew my information from. So retract that BS. Your isn't looking all that good either. Yea, sucks to be right.

You've got to be fucking kidding me, right jar?I have a lock of hair, from my first haircut. Tell me, is it the exact same hiar I have on my head now? Because if it is, then there are invisible strings holding it to my head, that expand and contract everytime I leave the house.In all your infinate wisdom, and the gospel according to jar, you could not have possibly known that I was talking about the hair he had from birth, that no razor was ever takin too?What a joke.This whole thread is a joke. I proved very eloquently that the question, "why did they let his hair grow back?" is an illogical question to ask, based on the facts of the story, and, everyone here has managed to make a mockery of a perfectly good explanation.Since I am so right about it, everyone has had to resort to things that are off-topic. I guess we can keep going until someone is actually right about something, then we can say the whole thing was a waste of time. God doesn't exist, and the bible is totally inaccurate. The stories don't make sense because I can't make sense out of tying my dam shoes.Where's the dam admin?

So why does the maker of the story need to put this line in:
He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's wombWhat sense does it make to mention this, and what function does it have in the story. Also, why are you totally ignoring it? I did not have a viewpoint on this when I entered this thread. I thought it was a good question that Brian asked, so I researched it and found a perfectly logical answer. Yes, they did, the story mentions it. No they did not know about the covenant. In his hair, that never had a razor to it.What happens next in the story?Edited by AdminBrian, : fixed two quote boxes

Please explain why "no razor to his head" was mentioned twice in Judges.What's the point? No it's not. It's hair from the very same head, or hair root, but it is not the very/exact same hair. Your into science, you should know this.

Ok, I am calm, as long as the discussion stays rational, and we don't make assertions about who and what we are.I was wondering the same thing, what was the purpose of that verse. But if you read on one of the following verses says this:
28 Samson called to Yahweh, and said, "Lord Yahweh, remember me, please, and strengthen me, please, only this once, God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes."So I asked myself, if the strength was in the hair, then why did Samson need to call out to God again, "just this once" and ask for strength.The only logical conclusion I could think of is that they mention his hair growing back, to show that the power was not actually in his hair, but that he draws his strength from the Lord. I don't feel you have shown me this, only that some verses say by the spirit of the Lord, and some don't. God is always with us. But that is beyond the topic, and the question why did the philistines let his hair grow back?

Your making that up too, and adding to the story. Maybe the one your discussing, but the one I am. I can't help you then, your free to think whatever you want.

None of those other Nazarites were supposed to delivery the Jews either?Am I wrong for tying these two verses together?:Judges 13:5 for, behold, you shall conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb: and he shall begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines."Judges 16:17 He told her all his heart, and said to her, "No razor has ever come on my head; for I have been a Nazirite to God from my mother's womb. If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."What's the correlation in what Samson is saying? Why even mention the hair, and the razor? If we examined the physical composition of the 2, we would find differences. I think that was a bad example. The clipping I have of my first haircut is very different from the hair I have now.Besides, all that is not the point. When I say birth hair in this thread, I am refering to the topic we are discussion, which is Samson's hair, which we all know by the story that no razor had ever come to. That means the hair at the end of his long hair was the hair he had since birth, the same physical piece, and had never been cut. If your part of this conversation, then that should be the only logical comclusion that you could draw from the statement "birth hair" when taken in contenxt with this thread.Any other reference to birth hair being the same as the hair you have now is just an attack on me, and what I said, and not relevant to the conversation, so yes I take it personally becasue I know your smarter than that statement. You know perfectly well what is meant by the expression "birth hair" in this thread. And that has to do with what?
That has nothing to do with the topic, and is just another attack on me.At no point in time did I ever claim that I believe the story, infact I have said just the opposite.There were 2 points brought up in the OP, one of them has to do with Judges, and Samson, and the question was, "why did the phillistines let his hair grow back" I believe I have answered that question beyond a shadow of a doubt. It has nothing to do with what I believe in.If your not going to believe in that story, it can't be for that reasoning behind that question, because it is an illogical question. You'll have to start another thread, and prove why the story is fiction. It's not silly, and fits in with the story. So the story remains plausible, if that's the only problem you have with the story.It was a perfectly logical decision that the Philistines made to let Samson's hair grow back, because they thought the power was in the hair that he had growing on his head from birth, and the fact that a razor was never taken to it. All they had to do was take a razor to it once, and they thought his power would be gone forever. And...holy crap, that is exactly what happened. His hair grew back, and he had no power. However the Philistines did not really know where he drew his strength from, and that was from the Lord, all Samson had to do was repent, and ask the Lord, and he got his power back.All this makes perfect sense to me, as I see the power of the Lord work in a similar way in my life. We see it throughout the bible, in similar fashion.Canwe find the Lord through the lessons in these stories? I answer a resounding yes!Did the story actually happen or not? who cares,
It happens on a daily basis, the moral of the story.

So why does he add the line:
If I am shaved, then my strength will go from me, and I will become weak, and be like any other man."Just exactly where do you think Samson gets his strength from?
Don't forget what the angel of the Lord prophesised in chaptor 13.