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You use Quickverse! I picked up a copy of that once and took it right back off my computer, worst Bible program I ever came a cross, yecch!
15 years ago it wasn't bad. I use both it and the web now.
The "Bible Library" suite is pretty good with 14 Bibles and only costs 20 bucks.
Thanks for the tip.
On the flood baptizing the earth, my point was that it is somebody's interpretation, the Bible does not say that the planet was baptized by the deluge, it is not a biblical teaching.
To be completely logical, I agree. But IMO I think the interpretation jumps out of the Bible though.
You haven't explained how the trees can sink down and end up lined up with the different former surface layers. You also haven't explained why only the stumps are found, if the trees had sunk all at once, the trees would extend up through the surface layers above them, but they don't.
Have we established that the Yellowstone forests are sitting at 27 levels or is it simply an estimaton that there were approximately 27 gneerations of forest? I severely doubt that there are 27 neat ground levels. I would love to see the data on that.
I am not ruling out scriptural timing, I am ruling out YEC flood theories. This is the biggest problem with YEC, wrapping it up in the Bible and claiming it is divinely inspired, when it is nothing more than a human interpretation.
The Bible describes a 76 generation geneaogy from Adam to Christ in one chapter of the gospel of Luke.
Cute but not a very bright idea on the heat expelling jets, for how do you expel the heat up out through the atmosphere without heating up the atmosphere itself? And if you expel all the heat out into space, you would have to expel all the hot water as well. You could have the now frozen water reenter the atmosphere, but the heat of reentry will still heat the atmosphere. The YEC flood theories heat problems are insolvable due to their requiring too much to happen in too short of a time.
The jet mechanism is a heat transfer mechanism. The hottest water will be the water near the thousands of kilometres of rift valleys that gets transported into space.
Creating comets by expelling water from the earth is crazy! The earth is far too small to account for the vast numbers of comets that are in our solar system. The earth is also located far too close to the sun to account for the vast cloud of comets far away from the sun.
It is a biuzaree scenario but who would have ever predicted that there would be water ice objects periodically crossing our orbit. they are bizaree objects. The Ort cloud is just a construction of theorists trying to save the long-age model.
And you know of the top of your head the volume of water in the observed comets? Remember we don't need to have the Ort storehouse of comets, we only need the onserved ones.
Where did the huge amount of energy come from that it would take to push the comets up the gravity well from earth out to the outer reaches of the solar system?
The energy was from the heat of the rift valleys. We are talking the energy output of 550 million years of mainstream sea-floor spreading in a matter of months/years.
Also how did those ejected comets end up in nice distance circular orbits?
Orbits are automatic once you escape Earth with insufficent energy to escape the solar system. Circularity per se? I don't know of the top of my head. Someone would have to study this propoerly.
I also know of no problems with mainstream theories on the origin of comets, the theories are simple, well supported by evidence and very logical.
Except that there should be no comets in the mainstream scenario! The Ort cloud is like Gould's Puncutated Equilibrium.
The amount of heating you are talking would unavoidably effect the entire earth.
Agreed. If this is how God did it then he would have arranged it to enable survivability.
How would a spreading rift valley create rain? The water content of lava is very low, far less than one percent, so no matter how much YEC flood rifting is theorized it fails as a major source of water.
See above. Catastrophic sea-foor spreading at rift valleys would undoubtedly generate huge jets of steam and rain. You guys can't have it both ways: 'You have too much energy output!' + 'How can you boil water for rain?'
How did the flood violently carve out solid rock?
Mt St Helens demonstrated on an intermediate scale how solid rock can be carved out catastrophically.
And if the flood removed rock in large pieces, where did all the supposed flood sediments come from? The muds, the silts, the sands, where did they come from? Where are the huge piles of giant flood gravel?
Rock would be broken up and sorted into components during transport.
Mainstream theories have from hundreds to millions of years occurring between your 'surges.' Since the habitation involves many generations of animals, long term forest growth, the evidence only fits mainstream theories and is incompatible with YEC.
We see the geo-col as a snapshot of life. It is simply a mainstream assumption that it is a time series.
Actually this is probably accepted by the majority of christian religions including many who are YEC, you may want to check with your church leaders on this. Nearly all christian religions agree on this point since it is the goal of christianity to enter into God's rest day.
You may be right about liberal Christianity.
The apostle Paul explains this point in Hebrews chapter 4.
In Heb 4 Paul actaully says:
8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.
There is
another rest day. It is not the same one.
Here are seven Bibles that use the word 'day' in Genesis 2:4.
You failed to quote the most commonly used translation. In the NIV it appears as:
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-
In the other translations it is clear that the meaning is not what you imply. In
consecutive verses the Bible tells us it was 7 days and then 1. But the one is for 'the heavens and the Earth', not necessarily the filling out of it which took the rest of the creiton week. You come close to mocking Scripture. It is utterly clear what is meant in Gen 2:4.
It is wise to look at more than one Bible translation, many use the word 'day' in this verse.
Agreed
In the Bible the word 'day' can refer to a literal day or a much long period of time, such as 'in our fore father's day' (2 Peter 3:4). Genesis 50:20 states that one day for God is as a 1,000 years and a 1,000 years as one day.
Agreed. I actually believe the creation week was 7000 years and that we are in the 2nd 'redemptive' week which is just about into it's 7th day which I believe will be the millenium of Revelations. This is not a standard view of course although it has been discussed from time to time in Christendom. I could give you a dozen reasons for this understadning of Heb 4, Rev and 2 Pet some other time.
"its original thickness must have exceeded eight kilometers. The time required to crystallize this huge mass is thought to have been on the order of 200,000 years. The only way these trace elements could be so concentrated in this unit is that the Bushveld intrusion cooled very slowly which allowed time for progressive crystallization and concentration to occur.
Yes this is hard to beleive in our scenario. Every scenario has 'hard to believe' aspects.
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