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Author Topic:   How do we know when the Gospels were written?
ReverendDG
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Message 4 of 123 (299956)
03-31-2006 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chronos
03-31-2006 9:58 PM


I will say that it's amazing how Jesus managed to predict things (destruction of temple) that happened before the gospels were written.
its only amazing if jesus really did say that, most likely since it was written after the temple was destroyed it was just put in there to make jesus right, ie: the temple was destroyed, jesus said it would be, jesus was right
since we can't ask jesus (unless we believe) its kind of pointless since we believe he was right anyway
most scholars believe the author of mark or mathew wasn't even from israel, but a roman jew, he had no clue where some of the cities were, one city he puts on the other side of jersualam
one of the other ways we can tell that the gospels were written long after the events is the anarchisms, that creep into the writings
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ReverendDG
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Message 10 of 123 (299992)
04-01-2006 2:57 AM
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04-01-2006 12:08 AM


Re: Most of us are not likely to be convinced
I guess i didn't make it clear in that sense, an adement believer could hardly believe that jesus wasn't right, so any arguments trying to convence them that he might not have said what the bible says he did wouldn't work.
when i said most scholars believe i mean where mark was really from, they believe he might be a roman jew, but they know he wasn't from israel, he put a city in the wrong spot, a jew from israel wouldn't do such a thing
bleh i mispelled it, sigh let me say i retract that thing on anachronisms, they really didn't have such a huge space of change to gain any, thier were some in peoples thinking later,but the gospel authors were pretty close to not have strange things added
as for endless discourse, i'm all for it
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ReverendDG
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Message 17 of 123 (300105)
04-01-2006 3:51 PM
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04-01-2006 3:23 PM


Re: Temple
Ahhh, ok. I can understand why the jews didn't really believe him then..
it would have been something if he could have brought the temple back though

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ReverendDG
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Message 20 of 123 (300197)
04-02-2006 3:18 AM
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04-01-2006 11:11 PM


Re: Mark13
it is tradition, but i just don't understand were the conclusion came from? is it purely because some leaders and writers didn't want to admit they got what jesus meant wrong, or jesus was wrong?
it just doesn't make sense to say "well this line doesn't mean what it says in context, it means a later time"
it just sometimes seems like some sects do not want give up the idea, but really they could be wrong
a partial early fulfillment with a later one, often more significant.
which they shoehorn to fit it
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ReverendDG
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Message 22 of 123 (300201)
04-02-2006 3:31 AM
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04-02-2006 3:23 AM


Re: Mark13
It's because that's the way New Testament biblical writers viewed prophecies and at times even rules. For example, Paul writes that when the scripture says you shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn, that it was primarily meant for ministers of the gospel. His comment "does God take care of oxen?" is thus rhetorical.
sorry could you explain that a bit? the first part really doesn't make any sense in conjuntion with the second part.
If you read how OT scriptures are used in the New Testament, you will notice this principle in effect
the effect i see is the authors mutilating fufilled prophecies, and trying to shoe horn jesus into them to get the jews to believe he was the messiah, which from what i understand didn't work

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