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jar
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Message 10 of 216 (296156)
03-17-2006 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Faith
03-17-2006 8:21 AM


Re: This has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
My reaction to the way people are customarily presented with unprovable conjecture in the supposed ancient scenarios of the ToE and OE is something that's bugged me all the way back before I was a Christian.
But the TOE and old earth are unsupportable only by wilfully ignoring the evidence.
You keep asserting that they are unsupportable when you wilfully disregard all of the evidence presented to you and even joyously say that you know that anything that disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible is wrong.
Sorry Faith, but YECs and the Classic Biblical Creationists, in the words of the Clergy Project:
...deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.

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jar
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Message 15 of 216 (296168)
03-17-2006 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
03-17-2006 9:00 AM


Re: This has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
I'm sorry but
So many millions of years ago such and such a landscape prevailed and such and such creatures roamed sort of thing. Not a shred of evidence.
to say that involves not a shred of evidence is very hard to believe and seems to be self-contradictory.
Are you saying that people assert that some critter lived without any evidence such a critter ever existed? No bones, no fossils? I find that to be a ludacrous statement again showing wilfull ignorance. Can you provide evidence for all those assertions of a critter where no evidence exists?
Are you saying that people asserted that the critter of no evidence lived at a time with no evidence for when that critter lived? Are you saying that they did not have information about where the critter was found, radiometric dating, samples of the dirt it was found in, other samples of criters and things found in the surrounding areas?
Faith, please show us these examples of evidence less critters and dates?

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jar
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Message 17 of 216 (296174)
03-17-2006 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Faith
03-17-2006 9:12 AM


Re: This has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
Support you assertion Faith or retract it. It really is as simple as that.
So far you have never provided any evidence in support of your assertions. Once again you make yet another such unsupported assertion, one that stands in direct contrast to actual evidence here at EvC.
Faith writes:
So many millions of years ago such and such a landscape prevailed and such and such creatures roamed sort of thing. Not a shred of evidence.
Please show us where a critter or landscape or date was presented without any evidence to support that presentation?
You made the statement Faith. Perhaps for once you will support your assertion?
added an e to her to make here
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jar
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Message 58 of 216 (296846)
03-20-2006 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by DBlevins
03-20-2006 3:20 PM


Old mountain roots
The Appalachian chain along the East Coast of the US is just such a formation. The best view IMHO is to start with Google Earth and look at where they begin in Alabama, then follow the bends and twists, starts and stops as it meanders north.
Here are a few more links that might help you.
Start here
then here
and then here.
This message has been edited by jar, 03-20-2006 03:14 PM
{Adminnemooseus adds a link to a topic: The Jar started A series of Questions for our Geologists. topic.}
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jar
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Message 78 of 216 (297314)
03-22-2006 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
03-22-2006 12:51 PM


Re: No that is not what I'm saying.
I myself have argued that there is no way to PROVE anything at all that is in the past, EXCEPT BY witness evidence.
So everyone convicted of a crime where there was no eyewitnesses should be immediately pardoned?

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jar
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Message 89 of 216 (297421)
03-22-2006 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
03-22-2006 4:55 PM


Still waiting for a reply
to Message 78

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jar
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Message 93 of 216 (297432)
03-22-2006 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
03-22-2006 7:52 PM


Okay so you accept that there is more...
then just witness evidence.
Is that correct?

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jar
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Message 185 of 216 (298616)
03-27-2006 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
03-27-2006 9:24 AM


Epeating things not supported does not make them right.
How on earth can you all go on comparing the testable verifiable falsifiable useful products of science in the present to the purely invented fantasies of the OE and ToE about the distant past which cannot be tested and have no practical repercussions on the present whatever?
And you have never provided any support for your continued assertion that things in the past cannot be tested or that there are any purely invented fantasies of the OE and ToE about the distant past.

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jar
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Message 211 of 216 (299332)
03-29-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Mammuthus
03-29-2006 4:17 AM


Reasons for the Exclusionary Christian
You mention several good points but I'd like to suggest another component, one that IMHO plays a large part, and that is exclusivity.
The Exclusionary Christians believe they are the Elect, the Chosen, the Winners. They see themselves as an exclusive little group with something no one else has.
They belong to this little club, and no one that is not in the club is saved. They KNOW they are right, everyone else is wrong, they are above and beyond the rules, restrictions and evidence that eveyone else must live under. The club is even smaller and more exclusive because they wilfully exclude not just non-club members, but even any other chapter of the club, or any other individual that they disapprove of. They spend their lives pointing out those other members of the club that are not TRUE club members.

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