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Author Topic:   Where do the buddhists go?
Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 69 (296535)
03-18-2006 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ramoss
02-07-2006 7:55 AM


OT Judaic Hell? Yes.
ramoss writes:
No, judaism does not have a hell.
For the record, there are a score or more references to hell in the Jewish scriptures, most referring to the place of the dead, Sheol but some clearly implicating a place of punishment, such as Psalms 9:17 where we read, "The wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God." Jesus said this place has two compartments, the place of fiery punishment and the place of the good, with the implication that the latter were awaiting resurrection.
A fundamental doctrine of Buddhism is karma. Every word, thought and action is suppose to determine what miseries one may expect in the next (abe: earth )life, as to whether there will me many or few (abe: and as to how many earth existences will be required before nirvana.) The ultimate state desired is the mysterious nirvana (nibbana), which as near as I can determine is a non state of being where nothing exists, including dimension. This is suppose to be peaceful since nothing exists to cause misery, so all is peaceful. I see nothing that indicates a discription of any state of being in this alleged state. There is no birth into this alleged state (abe: and no other birth is ever expected.
I suppose the desired state in this life of Buddhism no-thought-allegedly helps believers to achieve either a better next life or even nirvana.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-18-2006 09:23 PM

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 69 (296547)
03-18-2006 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by arachnophilia
03-18-2006 9:28 PM


Re: OT Judaic Hell? Yes.
Arach writes:
replace that with "death." the wicked shall be killed. does it still make sense?
Jesus said this place has two compartments, the place of fiery punishment and the place of the good, with the implication that the latter were awaiting resurrection.
that second bit doesn't sound like a place of punishment, does it?
1. My Hebrew-English Lexicon has the Hebrew word "sheol" in Psalms 9:17 which is properly translated by most translators as "hell" in English.
2. It depends, of course, on which part you end up in.
I suggest if you want to debate further into this Biblical topic that you start another thread on it.

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Message 40 of 69 (297177)
03-22-2006 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by arachnophilia
03-21-2006 11:08 PM


Re: OT Judaic Hell? Yes.
You're wrong, but since it's not the topic here, I'll reserve further comment. Is there an open thread on the topic in the archives?

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Message 41 of 69 (297178)
03-22-2006 12:16 AM


As per my message 32, it appears to me that Buddhism's alleged nervana state really goes against science's first thermodynamic law big time, in that energy appears to vanish in this state as I am understanding the doctrine. This is not the case with Biblical fundamentals where energy changes but remains existent in the afterlife both for the saved and the lost.

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Message 45 of 69 (297463)
03-22-2006 11:19 PM
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03-22-2006 12:50 AM


What energy?
Existing energy.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 69 (297465)
03-22-2006 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by rgb
03-22-2006 4:30 AM


Re: who are you responding to?
As for Buddhism, yes, there is a heaven and, yes, there is a hell.
Can you steer us to a link or some source regarding this?

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 69 (297467)
03-22-2006 11:34 PM
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03-22-2006 12:54 AM


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Thanks for looking these up, Arach. Our dispute seems to be more about what hell is or isn't. Perhaps that would require a new thread. I don't have time to get up an opener on one now, but maybe after I get my some bookwork caught up and taxes done. I do all that for my business myself rather than hire it out.

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Message 51 of 69 (297690)
03-24-2006 12:03 AM
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03-22-2006 11:47 PM


Anything that exists except space and time have energy. I'm going on my personal viewpoint that particles are not a property of space but something existing in space.

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