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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Is there a 1611 facsimile edition available, Faith? The language of the KJV is the only real competition that Shakespeare has ever had. Well, I linked that site that SAID that's what they have there, but the English doesn't look all that olde to me, but then I didn't read a lot of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, I've read and listened to Wilson for years without the subject of slavery ever coming up. It seems a shame to attack a man for the least of his interests.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, there are some pretty ones out there. I guess there are many that claim to be the real thing that aren't. I'd like to have the real thing but I don't need the old typeface or the old spellings, just the accurate text.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that's precisely what RR IS doing. Not at all. I don't know why there is this misunderstanding but his statements are completely objective (2+2=4) about meaning in life -- in the context of Darwinism for sure -- and those who think the meaning is what they themselves create are the subjective ones. This message has been edited by Faith, 02-18-2006 09:28 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've simply stated a series of your favorite conclusions from the premise, and alsmost all of them are entirely subjective. You have provided no logical progression at all, just a bunch of your own subjective assertions. Not at all.
We are products of a mindless universe. This is what Darwinism concluded. It's an objective statement based on that.
We have no purpose. We just happen to be here. This is also an objective conclusion from Darwinism.
We can think up purposes of our own, but of course this is something we just make up. No purpose is any better than any other purpose--because we make it up. For instance we can think that because we might have some impact on future events that that confers signficance. But while it may confer subjective significance for some who like thinking this way, it doesn't confer objective significance. It makes no difference in the great scheme of things at all whether we have some impact or not as long as we are basically purposeless beings in a mindless universe. Things can be endlessly rearranged and affected by all kinds of things we do without any of it mattering in any ultimate objective sense. Like a rockslide or a flood rearranges the terrain there's an impact but the impact is meaningless in itself.
We live for awhile and then we cease to exist. This too is the objective conclusion from the Darwinist / atheist point of view.
We are of no more importance than the wind that blows across the Texas plains. Ditto. Or a rock slide or a flood or a forest fire.
During this time we struggle trying to figure out what we should do, how we should live. We never figure it out. The reason is there is no answer to that question. It doesn't matter what we do or how we live. A hundred years from now it's all the same. We are of no more significance than a roach crawling across the floor. Absolutely objectively true within the framework of science-defined humanity -- and in fact consciously embraced by many.
In particular, the bit about what we do, not having significance is simply wrong on it's face. We may die, but what we do now can impact future events. In fact, I would say that this is inevitable. But this is irrelevant to the point RR is making. His point is about an objective or intrinsic or ultimate significance to human life, as defined especially by Darwinism. The idea that impacting future events confers significance is your own subjective interpretation. Objectively speaking, impacting future events confers no significance whatever on a being that has no intrinsic worth or significance in the great scheme of things.
Just because you may feel like you've wasted your life and couldn't figure it out doesn't mean that everyone else has, or couldn't. He'd have to explain further I suppose, but the impression I get is that although one could have fulfilled all kinds of subjective purposes in one's life just fine, he's alert to the overarching fact that there is no ultimate objective purpose to any of it, and this is what leads him to the judgment that it's all a waste no matter how successful he may have been with the subjective purposes. This message has been edited by Faith, 02-18-2006 10:11 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It sounds pretty authentic but I was really kidding as it would be very unusual for anyone to have a true original of the King James with the old English. (Though Omnivorous has just ordered a true facsimile edition he says). At the very least the spellings have been modernized and some contemporary terms substituted to update it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The error you and Robin are making is this: Because you can't derive meaning in life from X, you assume that X excludes the possibility of meaning in life. Not at all. There IS objectively speaking NO inherent meaning to life if it all derived from biochemical processes. Whatever meaning anyone finds in it is meaning they have subjectively invested into it. This message has been edited by Faith, 02-19-2006 11:07 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But of course if someone marries someone completely different, say from a different race, that can be genetically rationalized too, right?
All I can say to the whole thing is: How unromantic. This message has been edited by Faith, 02-21-2006 05:47 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A mental disorder occurs when someone mistakes a subjective purpose for an objective purpose. Dare I draw the conclusion that there aren't very many mentally undisordered people around?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why does food taste so good when you're hungry? Why is eating a satisfying meal such a pleasurable experience? Surely you don't question that a considerable part of that is your body rewarding your consciousness for doing something your body needed to have happen; is it really so surprising to you that sex, another function the body mandates, would operate in a similar fashion? Um, aren't we all attracted to food or quantities of food that isn't good for us? How do you explain this? I mean FAT is delicious, and so are CARBS, but we're SUPPOSED to eat lean protein and veggies instead. They're OK, and I do like them but I'd rather eat chips and dip or very heavily sauced fatty foods and stuff full of sugar and so on.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hey, Crash, notice how Faith doesn't have a reply to our answers to her questions regarding why we want to eat certain foods? Huh? What are you making a big deal about? As I recall you two gave the typical speculative plausible evo type answers and there is no objective answer to something that totally imaginative. I can dream up stuff too, but the difference is I don't call it science. This message has been edited by Faith, 03-07-2006 09:55 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, at least I don't make up some magical answer like "Godidit". No great achievement that I can see, especially since I don't either.
At least my hypothesis is based upon observations in the real world. No it's not. That's the point. It's based on evolutionism, all pure fantasy scenarios.
So, do you deny that there is a genetic basis for why some people put on weight easily and other people do not? Gad, you are a master of non sequitur.
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