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Funkaloyd
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Message 13 of 99 (273927)
12-29-2005 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
12-29-2005 9:46 AM


Observation
If a tree falls in a forest, and somebody (but not you) claims to have seen and heard it, did it make a sound?

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Funkaloyd
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Message 23 of 99 (274015)
12-29-2005 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by riVeRraT
12-29-2005 7:05 PM


Re: Observation
riVeRrat writes:
there are frequencies that no creature can hear, but it would still be sound. It is sound because it travels at the speed of sound and has frequency, wavelength, amplitude, and velocity.
Are earthquakes but very low frequency sound?
Sounds are just waves which happen to be interpreted a certain way by certain observers. I don't see why something should be labeled sound if it can't be heard.
Radio waves exist wether we "hear" them or not.
But but what you're doing is calling a radio wave with a frequency of 1Hz "visible light", even though it cannot be percieved by any creature's eyes.
This question has nothing to do with the OP It is only a question to determine if I understand science as we know it.
No, it was a question directly related to the tree falling question, which was going to lead to another question if you answered a certain way. But apparently we largely agree on the question of the tree in the forest, so it doesn't matter.

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Funkaloyd
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Message 31 of 99 (274046)
12-29-2005 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Rrhain
12-29-2005 10:08 PM


Re: Observation
Rrhain writes:
By your logic, the sun doesn't shine unless somebody is there to look at it.
I don't see the problem with that. Nobody says "the Sun is shining" on a cloudy day.
It can't be silent since the hearing person heard a sound. Therefore, it must have made a sound despite the fact that the deaf person didn't hear it.
Right. Only if the hearing person weren't there, then the tree didn't make much in the way of sound.
So by your logic, there is no such thing as radio. Since it can't be seen, it must not have been radiated.
Hah, "by my logic". Right. By your logic, gamma rays are colourful. Or am I pulling strawmen out my ass.
There are many methods of observation other than vision and hearing. That's what I was getting at with my "somebody else heard the tree" question. If an electromagnetic wave interacts with anything, then it exists.

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Funkaloyd
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Message 34 of 99 (274081)
12-30-2005 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Rrhain
12-29-2005 11:37 PM


Re: Observation
Rrhain writes:
sound, by definition, is the vibration of molecules.
This is where our disagreement stems from. I view C minor, red and cold as subjective, whereas waves in a medium, electromagnetic waves and thermal energy are objective.
Certain waves can cause sound to be perceived by certain creatures, but so can Diphenhydramine.
Where do you think all the light is coming from on a cloudy day? The clouds?
You missed the point. On a 'horrible', cloudy winter day, the Sun isn't considered to be shining as such, even though it's emitting just as much light as it would on a cloudless summer day. The process hasn't changed, yet the perceived brightness has.
If there is nobody to see the sun shining, does it still shine? If you close your eyes, do the lights go out?
The lights remain on, even if I leave the room. The Sun still emits radiation, but I've never been acquainted with a yellow photon.
as far as the deaf person is concerned, everything is identical to what it was before. If there was a sound previously, then there must be a sound now.
From the deaf person's point of view, there wasn't any sound previously.
Every frequency of light has a color. We just can detect all of them with our retinas.
I assume you meant "can't"?
Either way, that's a pretty absurd comment. Would you say that water, pure H2O, has taste or odour?

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Funkaloyd
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Message 36 of 99 (274096)
12-30-2005 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Rrhain
12-30-2005 5:11 AM


Re: Observation
Rrhain writes:
Then you have abandoned not just music theory and physics but the English language as well.
Yeah, I disagree with the definition of words like "liberal", too. Probably my anti-social tendencies.
I'm not arguing for solipsism, but I would like to see you prove that it's "ludicrous". Perhaps in another thread?

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Funkaloyd
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Message 42 of 99 (274260)
12-30-2005 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by cavediver
12-30-2005 3:50 PM


Re: Observation
cavediver writes:
what would be the colour of a 10m wave?
I can only venture that it's similar to the odour of helium.

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Funkaloyd
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Message 92 of 99 (275527)
01-03-2006 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by riVeRraT
01-03-2006 9:25 AM


Cymbal Drive: First draft
I know it looks a bit rough, but the 1:1 scale model I'm working on out back will be much better.
As you can see, Carey's drumming will be at the heart of this engine. The sound produced by his beats will continue to vibrate through the concrete layer, until it's eventually radiated into the vacuum as thermal energy. Once in the vacuum, the heat is focused to rear of the craft by a layer of aerogel, which is held in place by magnets. The radiation will escape through an opening, and Newton's third law will do its thing, propelling the craft to unprecedented speeds.
Any design recommendations?
Overall, I'm very optimistic about this project. Buyers in both the United States and EU have expressed interest. The only hard part will be getting Daniel Carey on board. But hey, that's what chloroform's for, right?

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