answersincreation.org (Literal Genesis AND Old Earth Creationism?)

How do you explain God creating light, and then separating it from drakness on the first day, but then days were not cleary defined until the fourth day?

Or, it could be a dream or vision interpretation from God, to whoever wrote it. They wrote it to the best of their abilities. I am not sure how you are trying to interpret Genisis, but I have a question.What is the difference between the "lights" from this verse:

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14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,

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And the stars from this verse:

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He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness.

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Or the microwave backround Yea, I agree with that. At best, they had to at least hear from God, whether it was in a dream, vision, or direct voice, or even a donkey. Then find the time to write down what they remember, and/or how they translated it.Then the bible gets translated several more times.But somehow, we can find the word of God in its writings. I don't think that makes it inherrant, and anyone who says that, and believes that, is probably a hypocrite, and doesn't follow it.But we don't need it to find God. Many people have found God without a bible, or even ever having heard of it.

The reason I am asking is that you seem to know Hebrew?
And better understand the words before the translation.As I was reading through the web site answersincreation, It tries to explain that the seven days could have taken as long as it was neccesary. I kind of agree with that being that one day can be a thousand years to God. They use that explanation as well.In other words they are not YEC, and try to say that your not going against the bible to think so. Myself, I try not to get to hung up on it anyway. But it is interesting to discuss, and study.I like that web-site, in that they are trying to let religion and science get along. I agree with that. I think that both things seek some sort of truth, and if the truth is out there, then it won't lie. Everytime I study something further, it confirms the experiences I have with the Holy Spirit.For too many years, (or maybe not) I used things like science, the world around me, and bad experiences with the church to not believe in God. Or they just kept me from finding God. It is what drove me to come into this forum in the first place, thinking I can explain to others what I found, and what used to keep me from finding it. But I came in here pretty ignorant.But through the discussions I have in here, especially with atheists, it helps me define just who God is, and how we show others what we have found.

Overwhelming evidence of mircles, and undenyable proof of God's existance.

Well the verse in the NIV goes like this:

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8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

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I agree the thousand years is a hyperbole, he just picked a number. But what I get from that reading is that time just doesn't matter to God. Almost as if he exists in a demension void of time.
The way God understands slowness, and the way we do, are 2 different things.This to me could also mean, that any length of time could have happened in the creation process. I have always thought that. NEver at any point in my life did I think the world was only 6000 years old. After my experience, I did start to wonder, and I remain open to any possibility, but made up my mind that whole thing really doesn't play into what makes me believe in God or not. Do you think that if science can prove the bible wrong, then people will use that to not believe in God? Yes I agree, and I know that now. Well 14 years ago I started to realize that. I am now involved with a church pretty heavily. So far, so good, I think I found a good group of people, who seem to think along the same lines. Our own pastor preaches on Sunday that he is "sick of church", which I think is cool. But I already made up my mind, that no matter what these "people" do to me, it has nothing to do with God.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 12-05-2005 06:55 AM

Yes,,In the begining.... This is the biggest thing I have learned in here. You should not mix the bible and science.Check the rave about orbs in digital pictures on the internet. I know better because I am into photography, and astronomy. My pastor started to make the mistake of claiming they were entitys, or spirits, but I informed him, and he corrected it right away. Another big preacher did the same thing, I was really enjoying his conference too.At the end of the conference he started showing all these pictures with orbs and such. I wanted to tell him, but the people I was with suggested not to. There was like 600 people there. So I prayed, and I felt like the Lord said, if you run into him in the hallway, and he is by himself, you should tell him. I was leaving in 10 minutes, so there wasn't much time. I walked out, and there he was standing in my face, all alone. He almost cried when I started to tell him what I knew. This guy has courses that you can take about the bible, and things. One of the biggest things he teaches about is integerty. So I explained that I was worried about his integrety, and using pictures like that was not the best way of spreading God's love for us.
It was interesting to see all that happen to say the least.So I completely agree with you on that one. It is interesting to see how things match up, just out of curiousity.I think too many people take this verse, and apply it to the whole bible, the last verse in Revelation.18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Death to gays, lol.Should there be gay leaders in the church? Who are we to judge? Commit one sin, you have commited them all. All of us are sinners, so I see us as all being equal. Just what exactly did Jesus think of Gay people anyway? I know there are whole threads on this topic. You say love and compassion, but there were people that he did get upset at. I am not saying this gives us a right to be upset, but cleary there are things that God likes, and dislikes...sorry getting off-topic.

Exactly my point.I was critized for revealing the truth. People said that I was letting peoples hopes down. I say if your going to hope for something, at least let it be real. I used that same arguement, what do orbs have to do with Jesus? Right, none of us stop sinning. But since going through what I went through, I do feel bad when I sin. So if I was preaching, I would readily admit I am a sinner, and no better than anyone else. But I would also express that I do not desire to be that way, just like Paul talks about in Romans. I would also express a desire to change, for anything I might be doing wrong.But would a gay person stand on a pulpit and say the same thing about his sins? Or would he want it to be ok to be gay?This is where I get confused about how I should be with this subject. Deep down inside, I really don't know how God wants me to be about it. I do know he wants me to love everyone, thats a given. But when you love someone, should you encourage them to sin?I know many gay people, even some in my related family. We talk about it all the time, and there never really is an answer. 2 of my family members stopped being gay (if thats possible) and we talk about it.