Genetic problems with genesis, the great flood, etc

It was? Got some evidence for that? If you are claiming a whole group of creatures all simultaneously generated all at once, isn't the fact we never observe even one instance of this occuring for one new organism a little disturbing to go on to say it happened for a whole group all at once?

The way I have always looked at it is that some physical principles were changed. In other words, back then it would not be wrong and not cause the same problems as today.If you read the Bible closely, you will notice that Aberaham's wife, Sarah, was also his half-sister, and of course there are historical accounts of Pharoahs marrying their sister or a close relative. The Bible gives no hint that Aberaham's marriage was incestous, but by Moses' time, such a thing was taboo and against the Law.Thus the biblical narrative implies that God changed the moral law and as a result of that aspects of physical principles such that incestous relationships would be prone to more problems. That's how I read it anyway.Off-topic, but I am surprised pro-homosexual Bible beleivers have not noticed this and argued that there has been a change in what is right in the sexual arena related to them as well. I am not saying I agree with that, but I think they could make a doctrinal argument that perhaps sexual mores are not as fixed in stone as some may think from God's perspective and argue they have related to the command to replenish the earth, and just as once the population increased a long time ago, incest became taboo, so now that we have a perhaps overpopulation, that the purpose and need to for "multiplying" has lessened and homosexual sex would be OK.just rambling....and no, I am not making that argument, but it is one way to explain away the condemnations of homosexuality in the New Testament.

Actually, the Bible is evidence. It may be evidence you reject, but it evidence, as are historical accounts of Pharoahs as I posted.The person who has no evidence here is you. You have no evidence things have always remained the same in that regard, but you stubbornly cling to the idea. That is the unproven presumption by which you judge data.

Paul mentions it in Romans and denounces it as worthy of death.

You don't have any evidence that physical laws and principles have remained uniform. That's the point. That's one of the great assumptions, taken on faith really, of modern science, but it is unproven. You are basing your analysis on unproven claims.

If you had bothered to be courteous enough to even bother reading my posts, you would have noted that I already gave the reason.Go back and read it, edit your post, and then I'll finish reading your post and consider responding.

I laid the rationale for the change, and you didn't even read it, did you?Why talk with you further? My take on what the Bible states is there was a change. I also think the Bible speaks of changes in human biology/genetics in limiting lifespans. You say the biblical account is not evidence, but it is evidence. It is just evidence you choose to disbeleive not because you have evidence to disbeleive but out of incredulity.

There's also significant evidence that what we observe did not exist in the form we observe it until we observed it, thus making your point totally moot.This message has been edited by randman, 11-12-2005 02:59 PM

Not until "you" observe it, but until "one" observes it, meaning until it is observed. Hope that makes it clear, and considering one of the advocates that QM demonstrates this idea is a giant in the field of physics, I tend to think the ridiculously arrogant thought is to hand-waive away what he claims the science shows.

I don't get the grenade analogy at all, but taking God at His Word has gotten me a long ways. So it makes sense to keep trusting Him.

Ringo, I have defended and discussed these ideas and on physics threads. You are lying about that.But regardless, it is men like John Wheeler who claim an intrinsincly undefined state prior to observation. Considering he is a giant in the field of physics, I tend to think of your statements as mere ignorance in your handwaiving away his ideas.

Crash, ever read any guys like John Wheeler or Anton Zellinger?As usual, you think merely asserting something makes it true, such as claiming "disinformation" is not a word. Haven't heard you apologize for that slur in which you were shown to be wrong, but then again, no matter how often you are shown to be wrong, you insist otherwise, even on factual matters such as claiming falsely that disinformation is not a word.It's pathetic really.

RAZD, uh...do you even know what is being discussed on this thread? Your post has no relevance at all.It's like if we were discussing the past election, and you decide to make a very strong stand on what the best football program in the country is.what gives?

Crash, he doesn't claim the laws of physics are undefined. Follow the argument.Edit to add I didn't see the moderator comments above, and forgot about the OP. Sorry for getting off-topic.This message has been edited by randman, 11-13-2005 10:46 PM

There was clearly a change with the Fall, but the Bible also suggests there were changes later as well, not as large of course, but there are verses indicating God acted after the Fall to limit lifespans, for example.