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Author Topic:   Help me understand Intelligent Design
nwr
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Message 270 of 303 (253316)
10-20-2005 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by ausar_maat
10-20-2005 10:03 AM


Re: 5 More insults - Still no answer
ausar_maat writes:
Who is really confused here nwr?
It seems that you are confused.
I explicitly asked:
Help me out, ausar_maat - tell me what it is that you are trying to argue.
You did not answer that. I guess I should conclude that you don't actually have a point.
Because here, every objection has been meet, yet you act as though it hasn't, then instead of brining additional arguements as I asked, you ignore it and ask of more evidence from me.
I have no idea what you are reading (or what you are smoking). I did not ask for more evidence.
I pointed out that the reasons others are dismissing your arguments is because you do not provide evidence, but I never asked you to provide evidence.
I will ask once again. Please provide a succint statement of what it is you are trying to establish.

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nwr
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Message 276 of 303 (253348)
10-20-2005 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by ausar_maat
10-20-2005 10:41 AM


Re: 5 More insults - Still no answer
in other words,
you want me to repeat my self?
Quite the contrary. I am looking for a simple clear one line explanation of what you are trying to argue. As best I can tell, that isn't anything you have yet provided.

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nwr
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Message 299 of 303 (253447)
10-20-2005 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by ausar_maat
10-20-2005 12:16 PM


Re: 5 More insults - Still no answer
quote:
The accumulative selection of "Random" Mutation + Natural Selection = Evolution.
My problem is with the "Random" part in this equation.
I say ID, you say random...the rest of this discussion deals with why we disagree on that very specific point remember?
Hmm, yes, I do remember that. My apologies.
Still, it isn't obvious that your arguments have anything to do with this. It's a question of whether the original mutations are random, so the improbability of the result of accumulated mutations would not be relevant.
Incidently, I personally disagree with "Mutation + Natural Selection = Evolution." IMO the driving force of evolution is biological reproduction.

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nwr
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Message 301 of 303 (253480)
10-20-2005 5:13 PM
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10-20-2005 4:56 PM


Re: At least we understand what we disagree on
..., it was "Me against the world" on this thread.
That can happen in any public forum, if you try to defend a controversial position. And it can quickly become frustrating having to answer everyone at the same time.
If you want to further pursue your point in the future, you might want to see if you can find someone to debate you on a Great Debate thread. That way you get to debate with just a single opponent.

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