Math can be tricky and produce unreasonable/illogical conclusions, depending on how it is applied and how what is observed is interpreted. What may be logical to one may be totally illogical to another. Some believe some scientists actually have too much faith in the math they use to come to some of their conclusions, somewhat like other folks consider Biblicalists as having too much faith in the credibility of the Biblical record, regardless of the archeological discoveries, the fulfilled prophecies and other evidence some of us fundamentalists use to support it.
This is exactly why a theory based only on the math is only very interesting. It wasn't until 1919 and the first tests of general relativity that Einstein's fame blossemed. Once the math has proved it's predictive powers over and over
then scientists start to put a great deal of "faith" in it.
You have objected to things which have been shown to be true about the universe. They have been described in terms of math to you but you seem to have missed the point that what the math says turns out to be the case in the real world around us. The universe is NOT as you think it is. This isn't something conjectured from math; it is what is.
mathmatic calculations which may appear to debunk ID and consider math calculations and other science experiments to be too illogical
You are probably refering to various probability calculations put forward in support of ID. Those arguments are put forward in terms of math themselves. They are, as math, shown to be wrong. The ID'ists formulation of their arguments are, AS THEY STATE THEM, mathematically wrong.
When folks get into debates on things like the outside of, properties of space, the before the BB and things like that, often some conclusions of some are considered totally illogical and unreasonable, no matter how the math is applied.
I haven't noticed that anyone has applied any math to this (other than the speculative, untested math of string theory and the like). The questions you voice here are, as yet, unanswered.
Reasonable and Sensible relate as to definiton. My dictionary relates them, crossreferencing both reasonable and sensible, though not number one on the list of definitions.
As noted, the Universe is observed to simply NOT conform to what you think is reasonable and sensible. Once that is observed it has nothing to do with the math or logic. It is as it is.
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