Should intellectually honest fundamentalists live like the Amish?

This is a very telling statement and is another illustration of the philosophical box you are in, Faith. Hutton was born, lived, worked, and died in the 18th century. His understanding is no more representative of modern geology than Pasteur's understanding is of modern medicine or Newton's is of modern physics. Can you imagine if doctors had to practice medicine with only what Pasteur knew? Come on, Faith, you know better than that. Hutton was right about some things just as Pasteur and Newton were right about some things but geology, medicine and physics are light years beyond those three fine scientists.

But that was my point, Faith. The fact that you would knowingly use an 18th century geologist as a symbol for modern geology is quite telling of your understanding of geology. It is even worse than thinking that Darwin said everything there is to say about evolution.

Come on, Holmes, you have to quit this. Lying is willful misrepresentation of what one believes to be true. Faith does not believe unconformities took a long time to form so it can't be a lie. Furthermore Hutton could NOT prove deep time for the unconformities. It was the 18th century after all. We can prove it today and that is one of my contentions with Faith about modern geology versus 18th century geology.

Well Faith you may consider it a side conversation. The title of the thread is a little open ended so it is hard to say but I have been pressing you on the "intellectual honesty" part. We all have our discomfort zones. The fact that you would react as violently as you did in post 291 suggests to me that I am getting pretty close to your discomfort zone. If you don't want to be pressed this way I would say you shouldn't post on these threads because someone is going to press you even if it isn't me. Just believe what you have to believe and let it go at that. I for one will leave you alone because the last thing I want to do is upset anyone about their faith. Some people have to believe in YEC to make their faith work. I don't but that is me and that doesn't make my faith better or worse than yours, just different.

Ok fair enough. But consider this. What did I say that you have not said yourself? You have to believe in YEC to make your faith work. Is that not a true statement? The fact that I am saying that I don't need YEC makes me smug about my faith? No. I just don't need YEC. There are plenty of things about my faith that I am not sure of, that I need to "work" on. In fact I rather admire someone who can attest to little doubt about their faith. Jesus said that "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. (John 20:29) I am a doubting Thomas, no doubt about it. But yet I believe.This message has been edited by deerbreh, 08-26-2005 12:53 PM

Oh I believe God authored the Bible. I just don't believe he dictated it. And don't get me wrong. My faith is way stronger believing that the Bible is the story of God working with his people than it would be if I thought it WAS dictated. There are different ways of believing, Faith. You think I am too smug, I think you are too judgemental.But I am way OT and this thread is over the limit.