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Author | Topic: Dr. Robert T. Bakker's thoughts on ID and Atheism in schools. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
out of curiosity, is this ~THE~ robert t. bakker, world famous paleontologist, proponent of warm blooded dinosaurs, extinction due to disease, author of dinosaur fiction, basis for the paleontologist character in the book "jurassic park," and pretty good sketch artist?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Why does it matter what Bakker's position is, IDer, theistic evolutionist, agnostic evolutionist, atheistic evolutionist, or some combination there of? well, the expression of a belief can be seen as a cause for various uncommon scientific theories and methodologies. but in bakker's case, i don't suspect the fact that he is a pentecostal (fundamentalist) preacher is making him think those dinosaurs he studies are less than 6000 years old.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Good points. As I said somewhere, having a "name" evo on the Bible-believing side of the argument would make a difference somehow, even though strictly speaking we should all pretend we're above such things. It was FUN to see a supposedly well known evo criticizing an atheist evo, childish though that may be. faith, you're missing a very important point. bakker is still an "evolutionist." my side of the debate, the theistic evolution side, often cites well known scientists who believe in god as well as evolution as evidence that creation and evolution are not incompatible. in bakker's case, he may be pentecostal, but it doesn't mean he doesn't fully understand geology and paleontology, and the old earth and patterns of evolution that it clearly demonstrates. for instance, he's VERY well known for being one of the first paleontologists to claim that small theropods evolved into modern birds. bakker is not exactly on your side, just because he thinks dawkins is an arrogant prick.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quite. hardly the false dichotomy faith seems to be imposing. also, i'm totally sure bakker should not be considered a crackpot. his theories often sound like crackpot ideas, but so far most of them have turned out to be right.
he's just properly excited about his field of study. This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 08-10-2005 04:37 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Simply put, using any individual to represent all of the accomplishments of evolution from paleontology, genetics, biology, physiology, and ecology is misleading and irresponsible. especially when it's bakker. he *IS* a leader in the sense that often times he comes up with a theory and it becomes accepted mainstream. but he is not an adequate representation of all of the field of paleontology. for instance, he think that disease killed the dinos: most of the rest of the field does not. even thought he is the childhood idol of many members here (including myself), we shouldn't just accept his word anymore than anyone else's. ok, well, maybe more than hovind's. chances are bakker knows more about dinos than "dr. dino." but i don't think his position on dawkins is correct at all. i don't see dawkins as an arrogant athiest.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
yes, thanks for catching it. i do that sometimes.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
As I already said, I don't expect to agree with him about much. And perhaps you are right, I would only be disappointed in him anyway. Maybe he's just like the other evos around here who claim to believe in the Bible but don't really believe in much of it. Except he SOUNDS different. well, he's good at instilling a sense of wonder in people. that's what he does as one of the popular faces of paleontology. he thinks dinosaurs re really cool, and gets people really excited about them. and of course, before you talk too much about his faith, note that he's not only pentecostal, but apparently a preacher too.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I've noticed the mentions of that but I must have missed the source. Can you point me to it? yeah, i quoted one source earlier in this thread, i think, or the other one (moderation discussion). if not, the wikipedia article on him also mentions it.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I've seen him a couple of times on TV talking about the non-existence of God. but he never actually says it? i dunno, either way, i must have missed it. i've only paid attention to his books and one film.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I would describe (and have) dawkins as not just an atheist but an anti-theist: he can be quite militant in his position. many times in his books I have seen references to the CvE debate with comments that are not justified by the facts. ok, i guess i stand corrected then.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
No, what I believe and have said is that evolutionists treat ToE as a faith-based ideology, and as such are not open-minded towards those that reject their evolutionist faith. yeah, ok. let's try this again. do you think dr. bakker treats evolution as a faith? or do you think he's been elbows-deep in the evidence on a daily basis for at least 30 years? there *ARE* some people who take evolution on faith. but that does not make it a religion for everyone. there are others who work in the related the fields and would be more than happy to tell you about the evidence. including, i'm certain, dr. bakker, who was a strong proponent of the dinos-to-birds theory well before it was popular.
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