Hyper evolution in the bible

I thought his ideas were creative. I never heard of "hyper-evolution" before.As regards suspension, if they suspend me, then they are biased. Biased against what, I don't know, since I am rather open-minded. Basically, I'm a nihilist.I object to somebody coming on here and telling me, that I should withdraw because I don't have sufficient reasoning skills (Paulk).I also object to somebody coming on here and telling us that he has exemplary moral character (Mike Hager). That seems a bit much to me.The funny thing about it is that I agree with these people overall.I don't absolutely agree that MikeHager has an exemplary moral character, but his overall point was that one could be an atheist and be a very fine person. That I agree with.And I don't agree with Paulk that I lack sufficient reasoning skills, but I do agree that Lewis' argument for the existence of God is faulty.But I disagree with their method of argument.Now back to Simple . ..

people who call others arrogant jerks, probably.not that i haven't picked a few good fights in my time. usually with simple, who just irks me for some reason. i'd thought about it. it's nothing new. it's one way to try and make the bible and science fit together. oh, look, it seems totally probably is i just start piling ad-hoc hypotheses, one on top of the other.if you choose to believe the bible is literally true, that's ok. god-did-it. no need to muck about in how that's scientifically possible. you're just messing yourself up, because you stray from the bible. like i said, if i can find a literalist who actually believes the bible literally, in everything it ACTUALLY says, i won't even argue.

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Might make a good Stephen Spielberg film.Re: Simple
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, well they are.And I will take them on anytime, any place.I've had it with these people who come on here and treat others with contempt. I've had it with this jumping to conclusions and this stereotyping of opinions. I'm fed up. I've been putting up with this ever since I've come on this forum. Just because I question this or that, I am automatically assumed to be of this or that group.I've been explaining to people forever that I am not of this or that group. And then they accuse me of "baiting" them.I'm annoyed.What do you think?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

it's been done. now, if there dinosaurs in it! i dunno, i take a pretty ground here, and i only get flak from wackos. and occasionally people who are occasionally wackos. i think the admins here are generally pretty fair. i know when i got suspended i deserved it. (not that i wouldn't do it again. it was totally funny)

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So maybe it is a good thing to get suspended?I don't think so.But I've got a big-time topic on my mind. This will shake the foundations of evcforum. I don't know what it is yet, but it is curling up in my mind.Get prepared for something Big!!!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

no, but i was willing to take a fall for a good joke. even if i was the only one laughing. plus, i got someone else suspended with me, which was a bonus.but seriously, most suspensions last a day at most. and it's not like they're banning people permanently for stupid reasons.

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So what do you believe?I don't believe in a damned thing myself.

me? i'm a creationist. i believe in god and that he created everything.i'm also an evolutionist, because i believe he did through and including evolution.

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I think that is so important. There are two views (or more) of GOD.In one he is a miserable inventor, barely competent. He creates something that then immediately starts degrading, falling apart. Life spans shorten, death enters, fast food becomes the norm.In the other, GOD creates a system that is self healing, provides the capability for things to change to meet new challenges.One view, the Classic Biblical Creationist is a world filled with decay and desperation. The other is a world filled with growth, renewal and advancement.

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that's probably the fundamental difference. alot of people become christians because they see nothing good in the world, except this religion. and then the religion confirms it, by saying we're all damned from the start, but if believe we can go somewhere better.i think god knew what he was doing. and i think he made something that really WAS good when he looked at it and said so. i don't think god intended us to hate where we live, and race to something better. i mean, hell, why don't we all just kill ourselves now and take a shortcut to heaven, right?

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the fact that you're mixing up angels with sons of god is plainly indicative of your preconcieved notions about what the text says, and your unwillingness to actually examine it.

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No, not mixed up at all, it is a bonifide interpretation, howbeit not universal!"i. The phrase sons of God clearly refers to angelic creatures when it is used the three other times in the Old Testament (Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7). The translators of the Septuagint translated sons of God as "angels." They clearly thought it referred to angelic beings, not the line of Seth."David Guzik's Commentary - StudyLight.org

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so how can he do spiritual stuff in a non-merged world?

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I would say that just because we now are in a physical only world, does not mean the spiritual cannot be brought to bear where needed. The spiritual can come beyond the veil.

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what, you think "the house of god" is a shanty made out of aluminum siding?

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'The mountain of the Lord's house', and such refers, as I understand it, to New Jerusalem, or what is commonly called heaven, in other words, where God lives.

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mmhmm. ad hoc much? ok, well, why couldn't eden be a local spiritual application?

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Look at the whole bible. There are things that show us the world was still merged after they left Eden! Not only that, but light speed as it now is, in a split universe could not do what we know it did, in other words, travel instantly from billions of present lihjt years away, in a flash-so early man could see them. This requires a merge! So does even the near thousand year lifespans of early man, I'd say! Not to mention Noah's fast growing olive branch with fresh leaves, and etc. It could not have been localized to Eden, because we have scientific evidence, as well as bible that tell us a physical only universe could not have been!

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do you always run away from debates you can't win?

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When I'm mopping up the floor with the opposition, it is only fair to give them time to try to save face.This message has been edited by simple, 07-26-2005 11:24 PM

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Here are some facts about the real world, Simple:
1- The Bible doesn't mention fast growing plants anywhere- People's dreams are not evidence.
2- When people die, they cannot come back to tell you about it. They're dead.
3- There is no such thing as hyper-evolution.

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First of all, what you call the real world is the physical only based one, which is real, but only part of the real world, the rest of which, you are clueless about!
1 .Noah found a fresh branch after months of worldwide flood, and man was made on day 6, plants on day 3-so, yes, it is mentioned
2 Well, your opinion is noted, number 2.
3 Your proclamation that things did not happen quickly compared to our present world is of little concequence, if all it relays is attitude, devoid of substance.

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To get back to Simple . . . I can't get back to Simple except to say that perhaps he has literary ability.

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Key word here, "can't". But don't feel bad, you're not alone, Neither the bible nor science can either.

no, my point was that "angel" has become a generalized term. angels, cherubs, seraphs, and sons of god, even if all are indeed divine, are all separate classes of divine beings. jeeze, you don't give up, do you? ok, then why does the spiritual "coming beyond the veil" show a merge in one place, but not another? oh yeah? like what. ad hoc, and tired speculation. why? fast growing? where.oh, and i dunno about you, but where i live, we have plants that grow very fast. we call them "weeds" whoa whoa whoa. scientific evidence of the spiritual? simple. one-liners, tired ad hoc rationalizations, and a general lack of evidence of ANY kind isn't exactly mopping the floor with the opposition. people are laughing at you.

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not an opinion. nde's are quite common -- test pilots have them all the time in g-force simulators. they are neither dead, nor were they ever dead. their brain was just deprived of oxygenated blood.

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