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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
These are some examples of very fast adaption, or some might say hyper evolution. Er, no. These are some examples of stories from the Bible, and we know that you can interpret the Bible in any way you need to in order to support any arbitrary position.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The other things I mentioned as well show that in a merged world, with the spiritual and physical, this is how it works. Your "merged world" is not found in the Bible. That's the part that's your interpretation - your invention, in fact.
Since we now know that hyper evolution could happen quickly No, once again, we don't know that. We just know that the Bible can be interpreted to say something like that.
Now you can disbelieve the bible, fine, but you cannot say it did not work this way. I can say it did not work that way, because you've had to invent something not found in the Bible for it to work.
the bible embraces science, and any rapid adaptation it may require. No, once more, the Bible doesn't, because you had to make something up for it to work.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Without the addition to the physical of the spiritual, or merge, we would not be able to live forever, it is impossible. Possibility is not, apparently, a prerequisite for inclusion in the Bible. The Bible describes the occurances of plenty that is impossible. Moreover, you're not the determiner of what is impossible and what is not.
But we see the bird brought a fresh olive twig with leaves on it, that had grown in the days (literally) since the waters went down somewhat, from totally covering the earth for many months! Etc. Well, no, once again - we don't see those things happen; the Bible says they happened.
The bible talks of both, and even both together at times, you cannot deny it. I can, am, and have denied it. Your concepts and phraseology do not appear in the Bible. You appear to suffer under the arrogant delusion that you get add appendeces to God's word.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
and it is alive I'm sorry, what? What definition of "alive" applies to the Bible? Boy, you people will just say anything at all about the Bible, won't you?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But in the context of the bible itself, we can say that this hyper growth is possible In the context of the Bible, God is capable of any feat. So what, exactly, is new in what you're telling me? That the normal rules don't apply when God is in town? Yeah, I think I knew that already. What's your point?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Point is that the bible talks about this rapid growth, and beast to man, and in a way that does tell us there was a merge. No, it doesn't tell us that. That's your interpretation, as I've shown. There's any number of other interpretations of rapid growth in the Bible that have nothing to do with any merging at all. If God wants it to happen without any merging, then it will.
People used to kind of smirk a little ,and say things like, what did the animals eat after coming off the ark? Now I can tell them. What couldn't you tell them before? How is saying "God did it by merging" any different than simply saying "God did it"?
How did men live so long? And a host of other questions? Same thing. But your answer is still just "God did it." Why wasn't that enough to begin with? What about that answer is so insufficient that you feel you have to add to the Bible in order to have a better answer?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Back when I was a little more interested in the Bible, I developed an interesting model of my own. Mine explained the drastic shift in narrative and focus between the Old and New Testaments - from the harsh, judgemental, legalistic God of the Old to the redemptive, accepting, tolerant God of the New.
I proposed that the Bible was actually the story of two deities - one, the God of the Word, who designed; and another, his servant, the God of the Hand, who implemented that design. In this way I paralleled the two stories of Genesis with the two Testaments. I proposed that the Word had instructed the Hand to create, and the Hand had come to love that creation; when he observed the Word become harsh and unfair to that creation he rebelled and usurped the title of "God." At that point he did the Jesus thing, etc. Interesting, and it does bring a discontinuity of the Bible into coherence, but I would never make the mistake of confusing my daydream for a real reality suggested by the Bible. And, with the availiability of the Argument from Ineffability, I never had to. What I don't understand is why Simple finds it worthwhile to simply push the unexplanability of God back one step. What's the point? Ultimately, you still have a God that can do whatever he likes, in any way that he likes, regardless of what is possible or not. Right?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I think he's trying to say that the Bible contains explanations of events that are otherwise mysterious, such as how the animals ate after they got off the ark. But the Bible doesn't contain them. Only the Bible+Simple contains them. You have to add to the Bible to explain it, and even then, he's just promoting one more variety of "God did it by magic." I don't see the point in it, do you?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
By the spiritual added to the mere physical. Right, magic.
The bible is not limited by physical only at all, and never was or will be. Neither is it limited by the presence or absence of the spiritual, so why are you trying to make it that way?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The word like doesn't do it. You need to head back to grade school English, simple. Similie: A comparison using "like" or "as".
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