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nator
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Message 164 of 178 (216397)
06-12-2005 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by CanadianSteve
06-11-2005 9:57 PM


Re: affirmative action
So the question is, Steve, if you reject statistics, then how do you determine if discrimination is still going on or not? Gut feeling? You think what you want to think? What objective criterion do you use?
Just because men aren't telling women "get out and let a man have your job" to their faces any more doesn't mean that more subtle means aren't being used to acheive the same ends.
I have provided some pretty broad statistics to you regarding the gender differences at all levels of education and hiring in the US medical field. I have also provided information regarding women in science, and women leaving science.
Why do you refuse to address this information? By all means, pick it apart if it is wrong, but to simply ignore it belies a possible preference for believing a comfortable lie over an uncomfortable truth.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 165 of 178 (216399)
06-12-2005 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by CanadianSteve
06-12-2005 10:12 AM


Re: on left and liberal
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On the whole, the Republicans are for less, much less, government than the left, which would ever increase government programs, regulation, and social engineer.
You have got to be kidding me!
The cirrent Neocon government in the US is ALL ABOUT larger government (Department of Fatherland Security), huge deficit spending, and intrusive, Authoritarian social engineering.
In fact, we have a very expensive nation-building enterprise going on in Iraq right now.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 166 of 178 (216401)
06-12-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by CanadianSteve
06-12-2005 10:12 AM


Re: on left and liberal
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A living being, no matter how early its existence, is killed.
So, since most fertilized eggs never implant but are flushed out of the body during menstruation, do you suggest that we start requiring women to search their menstrual fluid for the fertilized egg, since it would be murder to let it die due to failure to implant?
After all, it is a living being, right?
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And, as you know, so often it is killed when several months old, nearly able to survive on its own in todays medically advanced wards.
That is incorrect. Someone has lied to you.
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In 2000, 87% of abortions were performed at under 13 weeks, 17% in the 8th week, 18% in the 7th week, and 23% at less than 6 weeks.
Elective terminations during third trimester: essentially none; one source estimates 100 (0.01%); others estimate a few thousand per year in the U.S.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 167 of 178 (216406)
06-12-2005 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by CanadianSteve
06-12-2005 10:26 AM


Re: apology for unintended sarcasm
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That's an American issue I am unfamilair with. I suspect that since men's sports draws ticket purchases more than women's sports, there's a market issue in play.
Last time I checked, Universities were supposed to be educational instutions, not promotors or owners of for-profit sports teams, and as such should be interested in providing ALL of it's students every educational opportunity possible.
Title 9 is one of the most successful pieces of anti-gender discrimination legislation ever written, and it does not require quotas.
Why do you think it was needed, Steve? A white male dominated society has never just willingly give up power and privilege; women and minorities have had to stand up and take it.
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Despite challenges that continue to inhibit the achievement of that goal, Title IX has provided the impetus for great successes and significant change within the United States. Doors that were previously closed have been opened. Females who attended schools prior to 1972 experienced sex-segregated classes, denial of admissions to certain vocational education classes, lack of access to advanced mathematics and science courses, and overt discrimination in medical schools and other predominantly male institutions. The passage of Title IX and other educational equity laws removed many of these formal, systemic barriers. In addition, it prohibited schools from forcing pregnant and parenting female students to drop out. Females can no longer be barred from traditionally male classes, nor can there any longer be different course requirements for girls and boys.
A second success has been an increase in budgets and resources allocated to women’s and girls’ educational programs and activities compared with funds for similar boys’ programs. Especially in athletics, as a result of Title IX, girls in high school and colleges now have more choices and greater visibility within schools at local, state, and postsecondary levels. Third, Title IX and supporting legislation have led to the formation of a national infrastructure of organizations and individuals committed to working toward equity and change. For example, the federally funded Equity Assistance Centers and the national WEEA Equity Resource Center provide technical assistance and training and disseminate the most up-to-date resources available.
Finally, in almost three decades much progress has been made toward a more sophisticated understanding of gender discrimination and its implications, not just for education but for American society as a whole. Models for restructuring schools and training educators and administrators in gender-fair education have been developed and tested. We have a clearer understanding of the need for gender equity in education and have more resources to help us move toward that goal.
Below is a brief list of achievements in women’s education since the passage of Title IX:
* In 1996 (the most recent year for which data are available) women constituted the majority (56 percent) of students in undergraduate institutions, compared with 48 percent in 1976.
* The percentage of women earning first professional degrees has also increased dramatically: In dentistry the proportion rose from less than 10 percent in 1970 to 36 percent in 1996; in medicine it increased from less than 10 percent in 1970 to 41 percent in 1996; and in law it rose from less than 10 percent in 1970 to 44 percent in 1996.
* The number of high school girls participating in athletics increased from 300,000 in 1971 to 2.4 million in 1996.
Does Title IX require quotas?
"Title IX is an antidiscrimination statute that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. . . . Both in academics and athletics, Title IX guarantees that all students, regardless of gender, have equitable opportunities to participate in the education program. This guarantee does not impose quotas based on gender, either in classrooms or in athletic programs. Indeed, the imposition of any such strict numerical requirement concerning students would be inconsistent with Title IX itself, which is designed to protect the rights of all students and to provide equitable opportunities for all students."
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