Exodus Part One: Hebrews/Israelites in Egypt

What evidence Ray?

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Ray, that is one report but carries only anecdotal weight. We are looking for some evidence that might support such a claim. Do you have any?In fact, do you have any evidence that there were any Isrealites in Egypt between 2000BCE and 1000BCE?

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Ray.Is there something in that post that pertains to this thread or supports the assertion that there were Isrealites in Egypt during the period between 2000BCE and 1000BCE?

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Please point out what in the above quote shows there were Isrealites in Egypt between 2000BCE and 1000BCE?

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The Bible cannot be evidence to support the Bible.

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Frankly, I think you're beating the proverbial Dead Horse. No one has been able to produce any direct or even circumstantial evidence for the Exodus as described in Biblical accounts.As long as this is going nowhere quickly, I'd like to see a little good come from it.There was an event at around 1500BCE that may well have contributed to major demographic and political changes in the area. How much is known about the effects along the Eastern Med mainland that were caused by the explosion of Santorini?

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Is it possible though that it disrupted the "Sea People" or other coastal Med societies and so opened the opportunity new comers to move from inland nareas into the coastal areas of the Eastern Med?

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No, I believe the plague myths are most likely a compilation of unrelated facts and lots of fantasy.What I wonder is that unlike the mythical Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt and the distruction of the Pharoah's army, the Santorini event absolutely wiped out one of the world powers, one that had quite an influence throughout the area.Whenever something like that happens it leads to changes, minor players move in to fill power vacuums and there can be hundreds of years of instability. Is it possible that during the period of turmoil, one of the inland nomadic tribes, the Israelites, moved from bit player to minor power?

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"If the Exodus happened, what was it like?"If that is the case, if we are asking if there might have been some such trek which was later embellished, they I would say it is certainly likely.It is likely the Israelites were nomadic people transitioning to urban-farmers. The period following the Santorini explosion would have been one of turmoil and change. A great people were demolished and over the 100 years or so from the event went from being a world power to unknown, their trade routes disappearing (along with the related communication, markets and outposts).During this period of readjustment, it's possible that the nomads, finding their source for those things they did not produce themselves such as metal products, pottery, some food stuffs like agricultural products had dried up, moved into the abandoned outposts. This wouold have happened over hundreds of years, been gradual and pretty much unnoticed by the rest of the world.In this transition from Nomad to city dweller, those Semitic Israelites who had prior experience in urban affairs would have had an advatage. The ones living in the Egytian Delta region as one example, would know about those things needed for urban life. It's very possible that they would rise to positions of control and planning.Things like that could easily lead to tales such as those of the Seven Fat Years and the Seven Lean Years. In addition, over time the several migrations could be combined into one epic tale of adventure.

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We've narrowed it down somewhat. The consensus seems to be that it was sometime between 2000BCE and 1000BCE.

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The term was pretty commonly used and does not seem to point to a specific people and certainly not towards slaves. In addition, other than a vague resemblence between the terms Habiru and Hebrew there is no indications that they at anytime refered to the same peoples or that an organized body of folk could be identified as either. The Habiru seem to have lived all over the middle east and infact, the references seem to point to a possible northern or eastern origin as opposed to a southern/egyptian origin.

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It doesn't seem to be refering to an ethic group in particular but rather a generic term like barbarian or mercenary or brigand.

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The link you provided points to some book called the Exodus Enigma. But when I read the Armana letters I find no such image.In addition I tried to find references to the inscription you mentioned but with no success. can you get more information of them? Here's a link to some translations of the Armana Letters. In them I find no references to anything that might give the idea that there was any specific peoples called the Habiru.I believe there might be some kernal of truth to the exodus myth, I don't doubt that some semitic peoples later became the Hebrews, but I see no reason to think that it might have been Habiru.

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Yes, I've read the Armana letters. I provided a link so that you can actually read the references in context. yes, some folk believe that. But I've never sen and real correlation between the two events beyond the fact that the Hyksos may too have been semitic. But that is also true of the Phoenecians and the 'People of the Sea'.

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Glad to see you back again. Hope to see more contributions from you in the future