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Author Topic:   Is this Bible verse about believers and poison to be taken literally?
mike the wiz
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Message 9 of 142 (202784)
04-26-2005 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
04-25-2005 10:24 PM


Shraff, there aren't any serpents in Britain, except adders which are hard to find. I will answer your question if you answer my questions; Should I actively seek a serpent or pray for an ill person? Is it God who heals or me? If it was I that could heal, then I would go and lay hands on everyone, but I don't have the faith or courage in myself. If these signs aren't abundantly clear, does it negate our faith and belief, or does it negate God, knowing what God says about doubt?
You ask why, as in - what is the conclusion. let me know what your conclusion is then.
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mike the wiz
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Message 11 of 142 (202803)
04-26-2005 8:41 PM
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04-26-2005 8:32 PM


So your answer is "dunno", "it's your bible".
My answer is that neither do I know why I believe yet don't pick up snakes. I guess it can still be true, if it is a sign to whom it is a sign.
Let's look at what the bible says about what the bible says.
The bible says that the pharisees asked for many signs, and they didn't believe and Christ gave them the sign of Jonah.
Who then would receive the sign of not being poisoned? The doubter or the believer?
Well, clearly, if the passage is to be taken as literally true, believers should be able to do all of these things.
So the bible is not true if you can't see the sign? Where does it mention you, with your bunsen burner and ticker tape timer?
Does this mean I lack faith in God? Or does it mean I don't seek a sign? If I don't seek a sign yet believe, what is the excuse for those who don't believe yet seek a sign?
I'll tell you your conclusion; You think the bible is untrue, because you, like the pharisee, see no sign.

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 142 (202806)
04-26-2005 8:48 PM
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04-26-2005 8:45 PM


It says many things will believers do. Does it say one believer shall accomplish them all? DOes it say it is a law that one believer must complete these tasks when assigned as stumbling blocks by none-believers?
I believe many have done all these things, as testimonies have reached my ears. Even Paul was poisoned, yet came to no harm).
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mike the wiz
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Message 15 of 142 (202808)
04-26-2005 8:54 PM
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04-26-2005 8:52 PM


. Do you think Shraff laughed? I hope I didn't damage your powerbook.
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mike the wiz
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Message 18 of 142 (202815)
04-26-2005 9:15 PM
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04-26-2005 9:07 PM


I want to see it for myself, not be assured that it happened but can't be shown now.
"if you are the son of God, make this stone bread" - satan.
A sign for a sign's sake Shraff? I think not.
Why would I take poison and drink it? You mis-understand. If I was given posion, and drank it - I would come to no harm. I have heard this testimony from an anointed man of God - a preacher. Are not preachers also believers?
But to go out and look for poison that I may tempt God, why on earth would that prove anything? It was given to those preachers BECAUSE they were preaching, and that would prove the Lord was with those believers. Ans they were in places where they could come to harm, and lay hands on many sick.

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mike the wiz
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Message 21 of 142 (202827)
04-26-2005 9:33 PM


Dsv and Shraff, if you look at this with doubt then you'll only get a conclusion of doubt. All these things, a believer can do, and believers have done and will, because God said they would.
What does this lead to Shraff, what is your conclusion? That there is no Yahweh? I need to know.

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