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Author Topic:   Global Warming/Strange Weather Patterns
jar
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Message 28 of 77 (188769)
02-26-2005 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by custard
02-26-2005 5:23 PM


Re: The "Toasty Earth" wager revisited
First, we have no control yet over forces of the magnitude of Natural Processes. If Global warming is solely a Natural Process then anything we are capable of doing is simply too little. That sems to imply that any discussion related to Natural Process is useless and unproductive.
We do have the capability to reduce man made effects that might lead to Global Warming.
Looking at data of climate change, primarily those from ice cores seems to show that the last 10,000 years or so have been abnormal. During that period (which happens to coincide with one of the more remarkable events in history, the appearance of modern man and civilization), the temperature has remained unusually stable. Before that the norm seemed to be rapid changes between hot and cold, dry and wet with very rapid onset of the change, often a period of decades.
Rapid cycling systems are usually characterized by being fairly balanced systems where small changes trigger far greater results. If the weather pattern as seen in the data from ice cores is indicative, one of the reasons that mankind existed for so long before developing agriculture and civilization could well be that the weather simply varied too much to make such progress possible.
We have never been able to adequately explain why humans exited in pretty much a modern form for hundreds of thousands of years, yet in the short span of only 10,000 years went from hunter gathers to space explorers. I would hazard a guess that weather played a big part.
Above everything else, a return to the weather pattern as shown in the records would mean that agriculture would become nearly impossible. When it is impossible to predict conditions or locations for growing foodstuff fairly precisely, then the whole system we've built will collapse.
We cannot do anything about the Natural Processes. If that is what is driving things then we need to be making other plans to deal with those results.
We can do something about man made causes. Since that is the only part we can address, then we should do so.
In either case, our political leaders are failing miserably, almost criminally.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 31 of 77 (188999)
02-27-2005 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by NosyNed
02-27-2005 6:32 PM


Re: Some simple facts
Is anyone disagreeing with the idea that we are responsible for almost all (or all) of the increase in CO2 levels over the last century and a half? If so we need to see why someone would disagree.
Well, yes. There are a bunch of folk including our current Administration that dispute that. I can't explain their position. It certainly wouldn't be because they are recieving money from those producing all the CO2 would it?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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