The predictions of Walt Brown

What creatures? As others have pointed out, the frozen mammoths we've found were not quick frozen. Radiation is the least efficient form of heat ransfer. Under your scenario Noah and everyone/thing on the Ark would be dead, deceased, pining for the fjords.

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Really? So big things like the Space Shuttle just softly float to earth like feathers do they? You're also missing the point that hail falls from within the atmosphere at a relatively low altitude. Any chunks of your proposed ring would be coming in from orbit outside the Earth's atmosphere at a much much higher altitude than hail.If you can't see how the massive difference in altitude cause a massive difference in velocity then you need to go retake simple high school physics.

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Your numbers sound about right. I was just emphasizing to cosmo that ice coming in from orbit would have a much high velocity than simple hail even when you only focus on the altitude.

Define modest, how thick is it? how high is it in the atmosphere? What is its total volume? How is it suspended in the atmosphere in violation of all the laws of physics?

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well it has exactly as much hope as the ring idea, that is of course: none. You can't suspend that much liquid water in the atmosphere.

Well how much water do you think was in this canopy? How high in the atmosphere do you think it was? It's your theory, you should get a little specific if you want to support it.edited to add: just to add something that you may not know. Liquid water is dense, its more dense than air. Stuff that's more dense than air does not float on it. Throw some water into the air, notice how it falls, then think how this would apply to your canopy theory.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-21-2005 04:06 AM

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What superconducting, carbon rich stuff? What is the chemical composition of this stuff? how much of it is in your fictional canopy? Like I said before please supply some support for your arguements.

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How could the extraploations be wrong? What factors would cause this supposed error? Please supply the evidence that would suggest that these extrapolations are wrong. Do you know what an extrapolation is?

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No, its your turn to explain why these extrapolations could be wrong. You're saying that the current knowledge of geology is flawed, you have to support this. What evidence do you have that these extrapolations are wrong?edited to add: per Nosey's suggestion below from Inside the Earth - Enchanted Learningedited again: read Nosey's link below for the evidence.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-21-2005 21:59 AMThis message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-21-2005 22:01 AM

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and what evidence do you have for this?

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Your wording is weird but you seem to be saying that the plumes of steam started at the ocean floor and ended outside the Earth's atmosphere, is this a correct interpretation?If it is then you and Walt are still wrong.

• The steam starts at the bottom of the ocean
• As the steam travels upwards through the water it will lose some heat to the ocean
• the ocean gets hotter
• The steam gets to the surface of the ocean and starts to travel through the atmosphere
• As it travels through the atmosphere it loses heat to the air
• The air gets hotter
• Noah fries

There is no way to ensure that the only time the steam plume loses heat is when it escapes the atmosphere. It will lose heat during the entire distance it travels, Noah will Die.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-22-2005 15:26 AM

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You're missing the point. As the steam travels up from the ocean floor it will heat the ocean and the atmosphere that it passes through. On it's way back down it follows the scenario JonF describes. The Earth is heated by the steam during both it's up and down voyages. Noah fries.

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even with the fictional rolling back of the oceans the steam would still have to pass through the atmosphere on its way up. The atmosphere wuld still be heated by the steam on the way up. No he's not. What he's saying is simple physics. The water outside of the atmosphere, due to its altitude, has potential energy. As the water falls back to earth, this potential energy is converted to kinetic energy. This kinetic energy is then converted into heat (due to air friction) as the water passes through the atmosphere and it is also converted into heat once the water impacts the earth.As I said before the Earth is heated by the steam going up and coming down. Noah fries. What do you mean you agree? I've never stated this. Who are you agreeing with?This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-22-2005 17:56 AM

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Well if you're going to rely on magic just say so instead of pretending that there is some scientific explanation. Could you explain how Noah and the animals lived with no air to breath? What do you mean "welled up above the atmosphere"? If its above the atmosphere it's going to gain alot of speed on the way down. Do you not understand simple physics?edited to add: When one moving object collides with another object heat is always generated, no matter what speed the first object is moving at. Take a hammer and pound on a piece of metal for a while, both the hammer and the metal will get hotter. Once more its simple high school physics.This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-22-2005 18:17 AMThis message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-22-2005 18:17 AM

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For the steam to press aside the atmosphere it would have to touch the atmosphere and it would have to be in contact for the whole time the steam was spewing upwards. With contact you get heat transfer. The steam will lose heat to the atmosphere. Noah fries. How did Noah survive this increased air pressure?This message has been edited by DrJones*, 01-22-2005 18:25 AM

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