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Is Jesus of 'Cursed Lineage'

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Brian
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Message 153 of 206 (175580)
01-10-2005 5:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 152 by johnfolton
01-10-2005 4:16 PM

Hi Tom,
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Well, which 'prophet' says that 'He' would be a Nazarene?
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in regards to Jesus being a Nazareth from the womb
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A 'Nazareth'? What is that?
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Do, you mean Nazarite?
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Cheers.
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Brian.
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Message 170 of 206 (331178)
07-12-2006 2:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 168 by meforevidence
07-12-2006 2:26 PM

Drive through, no messiah here.
Jesus had two so called parents, so naturally there would be two different lineages listed.
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One of these parents was supposed to be God, making Jesus His own father.
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Mary's lineage is of no use.
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Jesus was not the Messiah.
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Brian.
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Message 185 of 206 (428218)
10-15-2007 1:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 183 by lila
10-15-2007 2:28 AM

Re: Virgin Birth ( Messias means the Christ)
Why can't Jesus have been from the cursed lineage?
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Message 188 of 206 (428340)
10-16-2007 4:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 186 by Hyroglyphx
10-15-2007 10:46 PM

Re: Cursed lineage: exegetical examinations
However, because Joseph was His legal guardian, and Joseph and Mary were both from the line of David means that ONLY Jesus could still sit on the throne and avoid the curse.
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Any idea when this is going to happen?
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10-16-2007 1:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 190 by Hyroglyphx
10-16-2007 12:58 PM

Re: Cursed lineage: exegetical examinations
Do you acknowledge that what you suggest here is utterly alien to Judaism and the Hebrew Bible?
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With that in mind, how do you harmonise the Xian concept of Messiah with the Messiah promised in the Hebrew Bible?
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BTW, Jesus was not Joseph's son, unless you sensibly reject the virgin birth misunderstanding.
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PPS Micah 5:2 is not messianic.
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Message 198 of 206 (428652)
10-17-2007 5:19 AM 		Reply to: Message 192 by Hyroglyphx
10-16-2007 5:10 PM

Re: Cursed lineage: exegetical examinations
Which part?
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Well, all of it to be honest.
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I don't know the day or hour. But since Moshiac ben Yosef has completed his mission as the suffering servant, all that is left is the coronation ceremony for Mashiac ben David.
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All of this has nothing to do with the Hebrew Bible. Well possibly the coronation ceremony for David's descendant but the two concepts you have linked are not related.
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Where is it written, for example, that the messiah will suffer? The idea of the messiah suffering is not a part of Judaism or the Hebrew Bible.
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Didn't you read what I wrote? I explained in great detail.
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I read it, and it is more of the same really. Small parts of the Hebrew Bible ripped out of context and dressed up to say what you want it to say. However, you seem to have misunderstood the Jewish concept of the Messiah, and you have taken non-messianic prophecies and made them in to messianic.
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Again, didn't you read it? I explained all of that.
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Indeed.
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But you go on about Jesus being concieved by spirit and other things, but according to Judaism and the Hebrew Bible the messiah will be nothing other than human, with human parents, the concept of God in an Earth suit is nowhere suggested in the Hebrew Bible.
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Then what is it?
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It is a reflection on David's ancestry.
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Is Micah 5:2 in parenthesis in your Bible?
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10-17-2007 5:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 196 by IamJoseph
10-17-2007 3:04 AM

Re: Cursed lineage: exegetical examinations
I have no idea what your post is trying to address.
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Sorry abut that but could you perhaps explain a little more?
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