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Author Topic:   Believing in God, But Not Literally
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Message 25 of 59 (173846)
01-04-2005 6:17 PM


Faith is believing something to be factual in the absence of evidence, logic, or reason. Faith is self imposed ignorance. IMO.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 34 of 59 (174135)
01-05-2005 2:09 PM
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01-05-2005 1:25 PM


Re: Strawman Tactics
Hello
robinrohan writes:
This is the kind of comment that leads to me think(sic).that a lot of the dismissal of religious belief that I've seen on this forum consist of setting up a strawman--a child like belief or belief of a stupid person, and attacking that instead of discussing and criticizing what an educated religious belief consist of.
First off I ended my comment with ( IMO ) Which stands for In My Opinion. I also did not make any mention of religion. But I'll bite just what in your opinion is a "educated religious belief and how does it differ as opposed to an uneducated one?
Secondly, site an example of a strawman rebuttal or argument made on this forum that attacks someones religious beliefs. Show a link, or site a quote please. I believe the people here do a good job not commiting logical fallacys of Strawman arguments on this forum.
robinrohan writes:
It's like attacking science on the basis of a ten year old's explanation of science.
I have not seen anyone "attack" anyone who does not make outrageous unsupportable claims regardless of age. I would not dismiss anything someone said if they could adequateley support they're claim. Opinions are just that but claims must be supported by evidence or face scrutiny.
robinrohan writes:
There is "evidence" to encourage belief though not scientific evidence.
And this has to do with what exactley? I fully agree with this statement. But this has nothing to do with FAITH. FAITH is believing in the absence of evidence. But BELIEF is not the same thing as FAITH. I believe if I drop a anvil on my foot it will hurt. What evidence do I have to support that? past experience makes me BELIEVE it will hurt. I have FAITH that if I drop this anvil God will protect my foot. what evidence to I have to support this claim? none..I have FAITH and because I have faith I BELIEVE it. Hence the term: a leap of faith.
robinrohan writes:
And I don't think one can reply that we never make use of unscientific evidence in making up our minds about things in our life. We do it every day.
I agree who made such a claim that humans do not make use of unscientific evidence to make up ones mind? Name a name or show a quote please.
robinrohan writes:
Now why would a religious belief keep us ignorant? No reason that I can see.
Well let me list a few :
Creationism
Geocentrism
Miracles
Biblical contradictions
The Crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Witch hunts
Jim Jones
David Koresh
and this is just Christianity .

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Message 38 of 59 (174144)
01-05-2005 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by robinrohan
01-05-2005 2:21 PM


Re: Strawman Tactics
robinrohan writes:
This is exactly the sort of idea I am talking about when I say you don't understand anything about religious belief if you think that " faith" means believing something with no evidence.
REEAAALLLLLYYYYY!!!????!!
Well well well lets see???
Then why do people have faith the Earth is only 6 thousand years old?
Why there was a Global flood?
Why a human can walk on water?
Why a woman can concieve without sex?
Why there is a place called hell?
Why there is a place called heaven?
Why there is a entity called God?
Why there is a thing called sin?
The list is endless.....I will await the Evidence.
here are a few links to help you understand : the word FAITH
Page not found | The Bible App | Bible.com
Faith - Wikipedia
Faith Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com

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Message 40 of 59 (174146)
01-05-2005 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by AdminAsgara
01-05-2005 2:47 PM


Re: Topicality
I apologize. I should not of taken the bait.

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Message 44 of 59 (174160)
01-05-2005 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Asgara
01-05-2005 3:24 PM


Re: Back on Track?
"Beer is proof that God exist and wants us to be happy."
Benjamin Franklin
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