If we have something we know is designed we can examine it to get some idea of the designer. For example if we find a wood object with metal on it we can examine the wood and see what skills were used, we test the metal and determine that the designer(s) have metal working skills, then we look at the mechanism as a whole find that it appears to be a sort of trap. In short we can look into the mind of the designer by reverse-engineering the designed object.

So why aren’t the ID scientists examining the bacterium flagellelum to determine god’s mind?

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Preconceptions

Well the obvious reason is that they already have a good idea of what they would find and they don't like it.

You mean they might find something that contradicts the bible?

A closed mind can only be opened from within.

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Change the DNA and the body changes, then you get different fossils.

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12-17-2004 5:26 AM

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Re: Preconceptions

I agree, ID proponents seem to be in the strange case of saying this small part of world is designed, but let's not look to close at it.

Odd, not to examine your prime evidence.

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01-20-2005 6:25 AM

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scared

Are you game? Do you want to take this on with me? remember if you are talking science, so you can't use "god dun it"

(Note: I would ask that people DO NOT supply an answer to this - it's is an invitation for LDSdude)

Well you tried.

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popular

One more thing. You seem to be saying that since some creationists see diffently than others, it makes them an unreliable source. We're not fighting over HOW the earth was made, were fighting over WHO or WHAT made it. Creationist is a general term that simply means everyone in the category believes that one form of God or another created the world. There is not a single simple uniting code of beleif on the creationist side as there is on the evolutionist side. Maybe that's why we greatly outnumber you.

Seems an argument from popular belief. Count up numbers the most believers win.

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01-23-2005 5:21 AM

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Re: No problem then

What you are actually saying is "I don't understand the question posed to me, so I will cover my lack of knowledge with idiotic behaviour"

Ldsdude sounds like lsddude. He's definetely a dude with a 'tude. He went off topic on his first post.

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01-23-2005 5:26 AM

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Re: so you've changed your argument then?

Isn't the Bible God's word?

Point of the thread is that IDers say that the bacflag is a work of god. Why not reverse engineer it and discover the creator.

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04-13-2005 6:33 AM

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the location

assuming ID is true, there is still no way to 'know' at what point(s) the designer was directly involved. for all we know, the designer could have front loaded reality, like winding up a clock and walking away. the designer could have snapped his fingers and caused:

Origin of scientific laws
Origin of Universe - big bang.
Origin of Solar system.
Origin of Earth.
Origin of single celled creatures - chemical evolution (abiogenesis or biopoesis).
Origin of plants and multi-cellular organisms.
Origin of fish, animals, insects and reptiles.
Origin of man.

in one fell swoop.

But the ID people say they can see design in living organisms. Why not study the design to see how it was done?

Think of it, studying the mind of god in the tail of a bacteria.

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