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jar
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Message 30 of 41 (163225)
11-25-2004 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Itachi Uchiha
11-25-2004 11:27 AM


Changing theories.
guidosoft wrote:
Eveolutionists always change there theories. That's why different peoples knowledge of the big bang theory are inconsistent.
To which jazzlover_PR replied:
quote:
Very Vey true. I been hearing diferent versions since I was like in seventh grade when I had to digest a lot of Big Bang stuff for science competition. I won the competition but still dont know anything about the big bang. I dont know which theory is the best.
But that is the nature, strength and value of science. Theories are our best explaination of how something happened. As we learn more, as we gather more data, as new evidence is discovered, the theories must explain the new information. That means the theories MUST change if they are to remain our best explainations.
Any answer that does not change or that does not take into account new discoveries is simply wrong.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 34 of 41 (163337)
11-26-2004 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Itachi Uchiha
11-26-2004 11:40 AM


Some what OT but I'll return to the topic before the end.
If the whole theory of evolution is true, we went from very simple to very complex as everything in the universe and the universe itself.
Well that's not exactly what happened.
The first life was simple. It had to be. That means that anything that followed could never be simpler than the first life. You can go from a single cell to multicell, but you cannot go from a single cell to no cell and still be alive.
But most life now, and then, stayed at the very simple level. Look around even today and you'll find that almost all life is very, very simple.
There is nothing in evolution that says complexity should increase. In fact, evolution could well be a decrease in complexity and there are many, many such examples. One is the presence of vestigial organs, pieces parts that once did something but are no longer needed and in the process of being discarded.
So, if we are going to go backward things should get simpler along the way.
Again, we need to make sure we are all assigning the same meaning to words. If we look back in time we do find things becoming less complex even if harder to understand. Earlier stars have fewer heavy elements than second or third generation stars as one example. But we can only see so far back. Even our images from the most distant universe are still from a period long after the Big Bang. For us to see something at that distance it has to be pretty big and pretty energetic. So what we can see is limited by our capabilities. We only see a hint of all that is there.
There are other indications though that seem to show great simplicity. The uniform background radiation that was first observed by Bell Labs Robert Wilson and Arno Penzias. That was only in 1965. The exciting part at the time was that this was the first confirmation of predictions that had been made about 30 years earlier.
And that is how science works. The theory had been around for a long time. It was simply one competing explaination of what was seen. The name Big Bang was actually coined by Fred Hoyle as somewhat of a joke. The used it as a way of saying just how silly the idea was. And Hoyles position, the Steady State Theory was thought by many to be the best possible explaination. Unfortunately, as additional information, observation, confirmed predictions and data came in it became increasingly obvious that the steady state theory could not explain what was seen.
So today, SST is mostly forgotten but the term Hoyle created as a joke remains.
Such is the way science works.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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