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PaulK
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Message 7 of 80 (157676)
11-09-2004 2:49 PM
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11-09-2004 2:09 PM


I think that you must be interpreting them wrongly. If Deuteronomy 4:2 meant that there would be no more scriptures written, then nothing written after Deuteronomy could be considered scripture. And nobody who considers the entire Bible the "Word of God" is going to accept that reading.

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Message 10 of 80 (157690)
11-09-2004 3:28 PM
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11-09-2004 3:17 PM


No, you are missing the real problem. Deuteronomy doesn't give an explicit cut-off between "scripture" and "non-scripture". The only sensible way to read it as supplying an implict cut-off is to use the date of writing Deuteronomy. So how do you read Deuteronomy as excluding the Book of Mormon ?

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Message 20 of 80 (157741)
11-09-2004 6:32 PM
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11-09-2004 6:20 PM


You're also assuming that the Book of Mormon is NOT written by God. And you can't get that from Deuteronomy. But Mormons don't make the distinction between the Bible and the BoM that you do - both are scripture and the arguments for regarding one as the Word of God apply equally to the other.
So it is not Deuteronomy that is the issue - but your starting assumption that the BoM is not scripture versus the LDS assumption that it is. The only way to make Deuteronomy an issue is to argue that it supports your assumption over the Mormon assumption - but that gets you right back to the problems I identified.

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Message 30 of 80 (157828)
11-10-2004 2:37 AM
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11-09-2004 6:50 PM


The BoM is "adding to the Bible" in the same way that the NT is "adding to the Bible".
You have accepted that Deuteronomy does not mean that there will be no more scriptures written. So the question comes down to whether the BoM is scripture. Mormons say yes. You say no. Deuteronomy says neither.

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Message 42 of 80 (157945)
11-10-2004 10:13 AM
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11-10-2004 9:58 AM


Prophecies
Isaiah 13 says that the Medes will destroy Babylon.
They didn't. The Persians conquered the Medes, and then took Babylon peacefully - even making it a seat of rule. Babylon was still there in the days of Alexander - it was only abandoned in the Seleucid period.
The Daniel prophecy is not as you say either - it is not even true that we know exactly when Jesus presented himself as Messiah, so how can we say that Daniel predicted it to the day ?
Why would God want me to be convinced by false claims of fulfilled prophecies ?
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Message 45 of 80 (157990)
11-10-2004 12:04 PM
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11-10-2004 9:58 AM


Prophecies - Book of Mormon
If you are prepared to assume that the Book of Mormon is genuine then it contains far more impressive prophecies than the Bible. (Of course if you acvcept that it is a 19th Century creation the after-the-fact "prophecies" are rather less convincing)
Try this: Scriptures
(as an example verse 4 states:
" Yea, even six hundred years from the time that my father left Jerusalem, a prophet would the Lord God raise up among the cJewseven a Messiah, or, in other words, a Savior of the world."
) The setting is the reign of Zedekaiah (stated in chapter 1)

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