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Author Topic:   The continuation of art styles through a speculated flood
joshua221 
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Message 19 of 141 (140457)
09-06-2004 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rrhain
09-04-2004 2:36 PM


This is not very strong evidence my friend, esspecially since the flood's date is not actually known, and you yourself have given some options that no matter how weak they are, could have happened.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 20 of 141 (140458)
09-06-2004 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by tsig
09-06-2004 4:48 AM


Re: who was there
quote:
if all people outside the ark died, who could remember the flood.
The survivors? lol

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 54 of 141 (141067)
09-08-2004 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by tsig
09-08-2004 12:07 AM


Re: who was there
quote:
Then why are the stories so diferent? So many people, so little time.
This is like cat and mouse, I wouldn't call thousands of years little time, also Have you ever played the game "telephone"?
This message has been edited by prophex, 09-08-2004 05:57 PM

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joshua221 
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Message 55 of 141 (141071)
09-08-2004 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Rrhain
09-07-2004 1:32 AM


quote:
Why would a bunch of Jews start copying a pagan artistic form they had never encountered before such that there is no evidence of any break in the timeline and no outside influence in the output?
I play guitar and often find myself playing songs that I later find are not actually mine. If this could be related the the jewish people's artistry maybe one could think that they without knowing had made something that was not their own in reality.
Using this logic, it doesn't seem like sturdy evidence.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 65 of 141 (141322)
09-09-2004 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by crashfrog
09-09-2004 2:03 AM


quote:
If you think that's a serious rebuttal, you simply don't understand the argument.
No, not a rebuttal, rather a reasoning contrary to his.
quote:
You're trying to argue that they saw all this art on the ground, copied it, and then forgot that they had seen it all over the ground?
I said nothing consisting of them actually seeing the art. Ideas that are alike are common.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 103 of 141 (141834)
09-12-2004 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Rrhain
09-12-2004 2:31 PM


quote:
In fact, I dare say it is impossible.
I disagree. People have similarities, that may effect their art. The similarities could be environment, goals, sometimes thoughts about the similarities could spark the art.
quote:
"No outside influence in the output."
Doesn't matter, Yes I have heard the songs probably, but the possibilty exists, that possibility is contrary to your
argument.
quote:
If a group of people from a completely distinct artistic tradition were to move to a new geographic location, why would they take up the previous civilization's artistic tradition? Especially with nobody to teach them the style? And how did they manage to completely prevent all remnants of their own heritage from showing up?
The possibility remains. People come to realizations, reflections, and ideas on their own, if one were to have similar influences than this increases the possibility.
quote:
Sculpture isn't nearly so common.
Why?
quote:
Using this logic, it doesn't seem like sturdy evidence.
quote:
You're right. Your claim isn't sturdy at all.
Emphasis on evidence.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 111 of 141 (142218)
09-13-2004 10:21 PM
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09-13-2004 1:49 AM


quote:
Please so one way other than humans propensity to kill over philosophic disputes. Most animals do not do that at least.
The similarity exists inside the individual, the Human element which ties us all together.
Possibility.
No Yes No Yes. Whatever no use of continuation is there?
But I am still unsure about the time, I mean your figure cannot be precise (exact) can it?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 115 of 141 (142630)
09-15-2004 10:13 PM
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09-15-2004 3:40 AM


quote:
You seem to be unwilling to accept the possibility that archaeologists are actually good at what they do.
trivial

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 116 of 141 (142632)
09-15-2004 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by ramoss
09-15-2004 5:25 PM


quote:
Yet, he accepts the British-israeli claims, all without evidence.
Would you like to engage in a discussion? Then reply to me next time. I don't know, seems kind of lame to make a reply like this.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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