WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDAMENTALISM

The New Testament is "hung up on" the word faith.I know the greek my friend and your derogatory dismissal of faith proves you are a perverted fundementalist as spoken of by Paul in Galatians 1."faith" is a VERB and it is always in the genitive case when written to communicate our function in the New Covenant.genitive: means generating from something.The something is us.Faith must originate from us, it must be generated by us.Its object: A promise found in the word of God.Faith is the only term of the New Covenant.To reject faith as the mode of relationship with Christ is to automatically relegate oneself to be under the jurisdiction of Law and its impossible demands AND its penalty of death for any violation.Relate to God/Christ by faith and the Law is abrogate and God deals with you in His grace.Anderson:You think the way to walk with God is conformity to righteous standard/law.The NEW way is faith and when faith is practiced the Spirit miraculously enables us to walk by destroying the desire to sin in us.Our ONLY dispute is how the day to day walk with God is realized.The N.T. says IF we walk by genitive faith the Spirit will eventually empower us and free us from the bondage of sin AND the demands of law.You circumvent this intended miracle by God by instantly focusing upon what EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS - that we cannot sin.When we refrain from sinning MINUS gospel faith we are relating to God via works and works don't save or get the Spirit.Intent is all important. How do you love an invisible Being ?IF you love someone you want to please them.What pleases God ?Hebrews 11:6 says ONLY faith.Therefore, when we are practicing faith we are loving God.When we are loving God via the stated way to please Him - this allows God to place His Spirit in us and change us so our "conduct"as you put it reflects a God-possessed person.I agree - that our conduct is important - the issue is HOW to walk Godly.Law keeping as a self discipline is evil works which the entire Bible condemns IF you do it with the intent of maintaining standing with God.To remain in sin is not an option - can we agree on that ?God has us cornered - intentionally.Sinning and works don't save - THIS IS INTENDED TO DRIVE US TO THE GOSPEL/WAY OF FAITH so that the Spirit can give us a miracle of deliverance AND TEACH US THAT THE LIFE OF FAITH IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT WITH GOD. NOWHERE does the Bible define faith.To do so would contaminate free will beings from innocently generating uncontrived expressions of faith.Hebrews 11:1 proclaims what faith accomplishes - it is not a definition.EDIT:"Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for...."The word in the greek is "hypostassis"; it means "title deed" via koinae greek.The remainder of Hebrews 11 gives examples of faith/title "deeds"."deeds" are actions which demonstrate to God that you possess a promise of His DESPITE reality/circumstances which deny it.I have to suddenly go off line....I will finish tomorrow.thanks for listening Anderson,WTContinuing....Why would you begin your post by discounting the importance of faith and THEN contradictorily venture to the one chapter in the Bible which exclusively objectifies the importance of faith ? Works of faith BEING the pursuit of a promise of God and OUR actions conforming to the stated promise UNTIL God manifests it and it becomes reality.The works of faith IS NOT the conformity to works of law - that is not faith. That is works, it is also good not to sin but it is not faith and it does not get the Spirit and it DECEIVES the doer IF they think it maintains standing with God.Romans 4:5 says "to him who worketh not".The context of that verse is the 3rd verse which confirms the Abrahamic covenant to be the precise event and wording and example of the New Covenant, that we are to do the same, that we are to believe God pertaining to a promise (just like Abraham did) AND in response God will credit righteousness - THATS WHAT IT SAYS.WE are to act in faith that Christ will deliver us from the impossible demands of law and our evil natures. God, in response, will perform His part of the Covenant and manifest His Spirit in us which will CAUSE us to "walk in newness of life." WRONG !It is placed in the canon BY GOD as an exhibit of what heresy looks like. James does say some obviously good things - thus heresy is wrapped in "normalcy" and exteriors of respectability - just like the Pharisees. Definition of faith (and everytime I use I mean the following):Action based uponBelief sustained byConfidence.We are to ACT upon a promise of God, based upon the BELIEF, and sustain that action and belief by CONFIDENCE.In the O.T. the highest form of trust is the word "AMEN", which means "so be it". It means to lack any doubt.Thus the greek N.T. word for faith - "pisteo" encompasses all of the above.You are grounded in the error that faith somehow means "conforming to righteous standards" which is the O.T. covenant.Thats right the demons believe and they aint saved. Belief is one third of faith.Faith is the total absence of fear and doubt, that is the surrender to these antithesis states, and the determined day to day fixation upon a promise of God that fits ones circumstance of need. The object of faith must be a promise of God - just like Abraham did.When this is done God will manifest His Spirit in us and relate to us in love because of the blood of Christ.This is why Hebrews 3 and 4 clearly defines faith to be the "works" of the seventh day when God rested from His works - we are to do the same THATS WHAT IT SAYS and to change that exact message is blasphemy/Galatians 1 perversion of voiding the gospel/way of faith. Christianity is IMPOSSIBLE to live.The demands of the righteous standard and the terror of sinning IS INTENDED by God to drive us to the gospel for deliverance.An on-going deliverance that happens as we relate to God via the life of faith upon His promises.Nobody has argued that we can sin - you keep changing the subject.Nobody has argued that God's law can be ignored and thus violated.The issue is WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.IF we embrace the gospel as our main focus Christ will by miracle take care of all the rest. You are incapable of understanding this.You constantly think my message is one of license.You need to be converted born-again style via faith and get delivered from this deceived mindset of twisting everything into age-old O.T. works, which said standard NOBODY but Christ kept and the last word in the O.T. is CURSE - the portion of the law to them IF it is not kept perfectly. This law and penalty is abrogate IF we are acting is gospel faith which places us in grace.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 08-09-2004 02:35 PMThis message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 08-09-2004 02:40 PM

Hi Darkstar:Nowhere did I slam Jews.I slammed certain Jewish POSITIONS against Paul and N.T. theology.It was a RESPONSE to a link that ended by calling Paul: Satan.Go here and read what I think of Jews:http://EvC Forum: The New Neo-Nazi's -->EvC Forum: The New Neo-Nazi's

Anderson:Your post is one huge rant asserting yourself smarter than me.Nothing is misspelled in my previous post. ALL is accurate.I have no desire to debate with a person who created a post to TELL me how smart they are while insulting me for my inability to see it.

No problem.The Father killed Christ for MY sins.I killed Christ.The actual executioning agent was the Romans incited by a small handful of religious leaders who happened to be Jews.

Hi Ken:I just discovered that you are back. In true fundementalist fashion you have completely avoided my careful scriptural identification of the Fundies to be the exact type of the church at Jerusalem.IOW, the eternal word of God identifies heresy to be any established religious body which voids the gospel/way of faith via their version of Mosaic law/"righteous standard" as the way to maintain standing with God.Your one-line comment only reinforces the truth of the OP.The word "trinity" does not appear in the Bible because it is a man-made doctrine that N.T. personages never had to deal with.I believe in the Trinity only to evade an accusation of heretic, but in reality Trinitarian doctrine is "logical nonsense".Glad you are back.WT

This topic of mine was carefully written to reflect POSITION of the Bible and the Fundamentalists.Your instant reaction of taking the content personally, especially your shameless and hysterical rantings that I somehow insulted your mother is the conduct of a guilty person cut by the truths communicated in the OP. As everyone knows I do not know you or your mother. We wouldn't know each other if we bumped into to one another on the street.IOW, your reaction of personal outrage betrays fundamentalism to be the perverts of Galatians 1.This precise interpretation and application of the eternal word of God caused you to attempt to deflect away from the arguments and make this a personal attack on your mother.Buzsaw, this perfectly exposes the truth of the OP and your gutter ploy of dragging your mother into this. In the above Galatians chapter/verse the one born after the flesh is Ishmael and he persecuted the one born after the Spirit/Isaac.Our flame war proves that you are the type of Ishmael, which of course in the Galatians argument of Paul typifies the established religious church of his day which is the type of the established church of our day the fundies. And Abraham did.Paul says we are to do the same with you because of your perversion of the gospel.Paul's argument is inescapable but of course you are deceived in thinking it does not really apply to you.My next post will pick up right here and prove that point.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-18-2004 10:47 PM

Ken:Anyone can scroll back through this topic and read where Buzsaw INITIATED his mother into this thread. I do not want to even link the garbage as it is so disturbing of a tactic, all because I showed how scripture condemns fundamentalism.Your trinity stuff is preaching to the choir.There are three Persons who make up the Godhead and they are ONE in unity.We must also remember that Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning GODS/Elohim created...."I believe in the Trinity even though it defies Aristotle's logic of A cannot be A and A at the same time.

Why thank you very much.My Forum name has changed. I was Willowtree, now I go by Cold Foreign Object.RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.

I just finished reading your poignant message. I am glad that you understand.Fundamentalists believe the pursuit of keeping the law is how one walks with Christ after being born again. The message of the Book of Galatians is that we begin, continue and end our walk the exact same way we started. Paul wrote Galatians to counter the corrupt message of James the epistle writer.Fundamentalists, without fail, point to the lists of sins in the various epistles and say we must conform to these "fundamentals." The issue IS NOT if BUT HOW. Refer back to the message of the Book of Galatians. If we continue in faith (how we began with Christ) then His spirit will free us from the desire to do those sins. Fundamentalists do not understand this.Everything I know about the Bible I learned from Dr. Gene Scott and his wife Pastor Melissa Scott. Pastor Scott has pointed out that the lists of sins, or laws, or commandments, in the epistles, Paul recounted because the converted heathen that he was addressing had no knowledge of the Old Testament, and they needed to know what they were being delivered from!Fundamentalists do not understand the difference between the Old and New Covenants. Their theology simply grafts Christ onto Moses law or their interpretation of Mosaic law (God's doorman as you put it). The Christian walk is not with an impersonal code of conduct, but with a living Saviour, and this walk is by faith. Whatever faith is it is not the works of the law. Yes, because they are pursuing a dead code of conduct as the way to walk with Christ. I can see that you see the light! I am very happy----thanks!Everything I know about the Bible I learned from Dr. and Pastor Scott.Pastor Melissa Scott presents Dr. Gene Scott - The Official SiteThe Official Site of Pastor Melissa Scott, Ph.D. Study proofs of the Resurrection, the Apostle Paul, what Faith really means and more...RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : add text

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