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Message 6 of 113 (130533)
08-05-2004 12:07 AM
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08-04-2004 11:24 PM


How did the olive leaf survive the flood, it floated above the waters, and didn't perish in the earth. You have massive coal fields, which are simply where these massive floating islands of debris came to rest after the flood waters receeded off the face of the earth, no reason worms couldn't float and survive within these massive islands of debris.
P.S. The correct hebrew for the kjv genesis 7:23 interpretation of the Noah verse in respect to what survived, is Noah "nevertheless" and them on the ark survived, and not Noah "Only" and them on the ark survived, cause they too were floating above the surface of the earth. All life substances perished in the earth, but not all perished that floated above the earths surface.

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Message 9 of 113 (130548)
08-05-2004 2:04 AM


Yaro, I thought earth worms like nightcrawlers liked moist conditions and can survive feeding on decaying organics, like the grass, and other debris floating within these massive islands of debris would be a perfect enviroment for earthworm's to survive, as long as they can breathe through their skin, and it should be a win win situation. I really don't know much about earthworms, but if they can reproduce by larvae, some could of survived as the young hatched after the islands of debris settled within the muds as the flood waters receeded, suspect earthworms like nightcrawlers could survive quite well with decomposing organics, as long as they could breathe above the waters. The aquatic earth worms survive quite well in aquatic environments. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/optics/olympusmicd/galleries/...
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pink sasquatch, The aquifiers over the continents were charged with freshwater, because the waters raining down upon the earth was freshwater and not saltwater, all beneficial to the earthworm lairs of grass, leaves and other organics remaining moist, within the floating debris floating upon the waters, etc...
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Message 12 of 113 (130634)
08-05-2004 10:10 AM


Mr. Jack, In a massive floating debris, you would have plenty of grass, leaves, tangled within the brush and trees floating above the waters so the worms could breathe, cause they too would be above the waters, cause the waters would flow through keeping everything moist, maintaining favorable habitats.
Gary, The solution to pollution might well be dilution, with all the fresh water today continually flowing into the oceans, they can not measure an increase in salinity, not that its not increasing, but Noah would of had fresh water to drink, and the mixing action of the ocean would of buffered salinity changes preserving salt water habitats(corals, some if not all worms too perhaps would of survived as larvaes until conditions were right for them to hatch, many insects likely perished but too survived as larvae on these massive islands of debris that floated in mass to the massive fossil coal grave yards evident all across the world(some of these massive coal fields are hundreds of feet thick, thousands of miles long, hundreds of miles wide)depending on how the waters washed the worm habitat(floating debris) to the different respective coal yards of the world, all supporting evidence it was a world Flood.
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Message 14 of 113 (130641)
08-05-2004 10:42 AM
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Yaro, Earthworms don't need soil, they can survive eating decayed organics, grass, as the rain washed the muds into the waters. I'm not sure about their larvae, if they could survive within an aquatic environment, till conditions were right to hatch, but that probably explains how the insects survived, perhap a bearing on earthworms multiplying, and how these forms of life likely repopulated the earth, after the biblical deluge.

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Message 27 of 113 (130901)
08-06-2004 1:35 AM
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08-05-2004 1:21 PM


Its kind of ineresting, however, is not water flowing over rocks quite oxygenated, the worms if I'm not mistaken absorb oxygen through their surface, the rainwater could only have a neutral ph, and the debris pressing together would of provided shelter the earth worms from the rain, within the grass organics as food, given its not as a glass jar because the water would be draining through the debris, it all seems to be quite a perfect moist highly oxygenated environment for growing earthworms. I also never heard of rain raining salt water, it leaves the sodium cloride molecules behind in the oceans, so the rain raining on the floating debris could only be neutral in ph, over the continents, over the ocean I agree you would have some salt overspray not related to the rain raining down, so I'd agree that this overspray, on a windy day might of affected earthworm populations in the debris floating out over the salty ocean rather than over the continents, that could only be freshwater, confirmed via the freshwater aquifiers over the continents.
P.S. I think were kinda talking about aerobic critters, larvae, that need oxygenated environments. With water splashing on the debris, it would of oxygenated the waters, helping larvae survive, it was not like an anaerobic condition, devoid of oxygen, like the stagnant waters on a lawn, but a dynamic condition, where the waters continually drained through the debris, bringing fresh oxygenated waters, continually for aquatic aerobic parasite loving worms too (the reason parasite worms likely inhabit people is because the gut is an aerobic process)and why you encouraged to drink yogart, fiber, is for the beneficial aerobic organism (so not to generate an anerobic condition), and to drink plenty of neutral ph mineral water, etc...

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Message 29 of 113 (131010)
08-06-2004 12:47 PM
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08-06-2004 10:13 AM


Well, Can you explain how a raft of topsoil driftend on the ocean for a whole year?
It wouldn't be a raft of topsoil, you need to think hydroponics, and theorize this would hold true for earthworms, too. Were talking oxygenated water, nutrient rich silts washing thru the debris, if the matrix is oxygenated, is there any reason the earthworms wouldn't beable to absorb oxygen, as long as excess moisture is draining thru the debris thats floating above the waters.
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n. (used with a sing. verb)
Cultivation of plants in nutrient solution rather than in soil.
Earthworms will not survive in loose, floating, debris. Let alone debris that are saturated in Salt Watter.
Were talking of a whole lot of debris, trees, brush, grass, leaves no reason it wouldn't tangle together compacting enough, for earth worm habitats.
Even if the rain were freashwatter, the vast majority of the water on earth (oceans) are salt watter. Unfortunetly duping a ton of rain on the world would invariably mix the freshwater and saltwater to the point where there was only salt watter.
The freshwater over the continents did not mix with the oceans until they washed off the earth. The waters welled upward over the continents as freshwater, over the oceans it welled upward mixing with the oceans salty waters, thus preserving the freshwater fisheries, and the saltwater fisheries, etc...
This water would kill the earthworms.
Salt water would of killed the earthworms, but over the continents it was fresh water raining down, causing the welling up of waters over the continents. The reason they washed off the earth is given in psalm 104:6-10, that God created valleys for them to rush to, meaning he lowered the oceans to recieve the fresh waters that flooded the earth, it was at this time the fresh waters over the continents flowed to the salty oceans, God even takes credit for creating the freshwater springs, within the context of the flood, supporting the fresh water aquifiers are the result of the flood waters over the continents being freshwater and not salt water. kjv psalms 104:10-13. Its the waters over the continents being freshwater, the ph would be perfect for earthworm growth, if it was an oxygenated aqautic habitat, it would of allowed the earthworms to absorb oxygen, even if they were swimming a bit, they could crawl out and be continually absorbing oxygen, cause it would not be a anerobic condition {stagnant water}, etc...
This article said earthworms live on the sandy bottoms of lakes, maybe he didn't mean earthworms, but it also said as summer algae blooms die offs decreased the oxygen levels deplete killing off some of the these oxygen dependent micro-organisms. Like what is an earth worm doing on the bottom of a lake, likely absorbing oxygen, feeding on organics, apparently earthworms have an ability to adapt, to the different aerobic environments, etc...
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The sandy bottom is home to sponges, snails, earthworms and insects. Muddy bottoms house crayfish, the nymphs of mayflies, dragonflies and damselflies, as well as leeches and snails.

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Message 34 of 113 (131073)
08-06-2004 6:10 PM
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08-06-2004 3:06 PM


If sure does seem suspect that the common earthworm has adapted without any problem to swim in the sands of the lakes, rivers and streams, leaning that your EPIGENIC variety skin is a bit thick, from moving dirt, to absorb sufficient o2 from the water. It would be interesting to see if one could raise young earthworms to live in aquatic conditions, given the similarities, beginning to suspect they are one and the same organism, one becomes a bit thick skinned, to burrow through the earth, absorbing enough oxygen in the highly oxygenated terresterial air through their thick skin, and the other becoming thin skinned to beable to absorb more Oxygen in a less oxygenated aquatic environment, but they both absorb Oxygen through their outer surface membranes, is there any evidence that they are not one and the same organism "?" , etc...
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/...Ecology/mpages/aquatic_worm.htm
Aquatic worms, just like earthworms, are hermaphrodites. This means there's not really a male or female. When aquatic worms mate, each worm is then able to lay eggs. Aquatic worms lay eggs inside small cocoons in the mud, on rocks, or on plants. Eggs are usually laid in late Summer or early Fall.

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