Hi Willow
The persons in Matthew 7 are those who will stand before the White Throne Judgement Seat in Rev.20 and say that exact question in response to learning that they are going to hell - "have we not done" all these wonderful works ?
Jesus RESPONDS: "I never knew you"
Which THOSE works were evil because they were done APART from Him.
Oh - now I see that there is a point to that, now you've explained. You see, I assumed (silly me) - that you meant all works are evil, even good ones. But what you're saying is that it is iniquity for THEM because Christ never knew them. You see, I also have read this in my bible - and thought that these people are also claiming to know him, saying "master, master". You see - surely those who just "use" Christ's name (false prophets etc) are also included in this.
I see your point - and agree that Christ is the way, not works. As self-righteoussness is filthy rags.
But don't some fundies preach faith aswell? How can you lump them all in without knowing for sure?
This entire scenario perfectly teaches that ONLY faith alone obtains relationship with Christ and subsequent to that results in "knowing Christ" and the way of relating (faith) which THEN inevitably will produce the Spirit in us doing the good works because of knowledge of sins forgiven.
Yes. And also Abraham's faith was counted for righteoussness when uncircumcised. I think you speak this correctly, as "knowledge of sins" is indeed relevant!
I think this whole "throw the f**ers out" thing is not needed though Willowtree. It's not like you don't have wisdom, as you have spoken wisely. I reckon you could do a better job without Scott for this reason.
Many are against you, but I am not against you. I just think you might be a bit controversial. I don't think anyone should be thrown away though.
I think you might mean well, I think you're kinder than people are judging you to be. I hope Christ is kind to you! And now you have explained, forgive my previous remarks.
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 08-05-2004 08:58 PM