The Design Revolution by William Dembski

I think that the Path, as outlined by the Buddha is a great example.

1. Right View  	        Wisdom
2. Right Intention
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3. Right Speech 	Ethical Conduct
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
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6. Right Effort 	Mental Development
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
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It shows a method of developing a moral code as well as a behavioural code that is outside any religious framework.I would imagine that an Atheist would follow something similar in any endevour.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I still have a major problem with the IDists over their direction. They always seem to want to point to some of the most complex, most poorly designed and built objects and say, "Look, that could never have come about by accident".IMHO, a more reasonable response would be, "No competent designer would ever have created such an abortion".

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That is somewhat of a twist on what Lewis actually says.In Lewis view Naturalism is the ultimate determination. It is not simply a world where we know and understand natural laws.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

CS Lewis speaks of Naturalism in terms of developing TRUTH, determining how people believe, how thought works. It has absolutely nothing to do with Evolution, Intelegent Design or science. He is talking about Moral Systems and reasoning.Unfortunately (or Fortunately) he was also prolific so smaller minds can always find something within the body of Lewis material to support their contention (sound like any other book?)A more reasonable view (sticking to Miracles which is what Dembski is mining) might be: This is the old seperation between religion and science, between why and how. CS Lewis had no problem with Evolution or Science. They work to determine the Hows of the world. Religion deals with Why, not the how.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I happen to be one of those strange folk that have actually read much of what CS Lewis wrote. My signature is actually a CS Lewis quotation. But there are also facets of Mr. Lewis' writings where he can be every bit as unreasoned, every bit as iconoclastic as the greatest evangelical.His work is a large body of material. That material was produced through an extended period when he went from being religious to atheist and then back to religious. Given that transition, you can find almost any point of view you wish somewhere in his writings.In many of his works, he spends a long period slowly developing an idea. In doing so he often presents a very convincing case for a particular point of view, the best case he can imagine for that point of view, only to spend and equal effort and equal volume refuting that position.That makes his material a gold mine for folk who wish to work from Authority. Mr. Lewis though would be the first person to say that you can not accept your beliefs based simply on authority, but rather you must reason, and examine the evidence in full.

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Well, not exactly. Intellegence that might develop does not seem to be purposeless, but rather that it has a purpose the continuation of the species. This actually is pretty much what we see when we look at intellegence no matter how we define it.But again, that has nothing to do with Theism. Religion is not about intellegence, but about truth and reason, about morality and immorality. It has nothing to do with Evolution or Design. It is a red herring, a spurious argument, a slight of hand to direct the attention of the reader away from the facts.Do you think you'll be able to get beyond even the Preface?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

RAZ Is this the one you guys were talking about?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If you look at the Buddhist WAY, it is extremely logical and requires independant thought.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion