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jar
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Message 11 of 87 (126016)
07-20-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Robert Byers
07-20-2004 4:13 PM


Why did the flood happen?

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Message 19 of 87 (126405)
07-21-2004 11:43 PM
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07-21-2004 11:32 PM


Not an answer. That's more the how according to the Gospel of Hydroplate.
What I was wondering is "why did it happen?"

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Message 27 of 87 (126417)
07-22-2004 12:09 AM
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07-21-2004 11:53 PM


I'm still having some troubles explaining myself. Not unsual, I'm old and slow.
You're still dealing with the hows. Biblical Flood. Why did it happen?

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Message 31 of 87 (126421)
07-22-2004 12:15 AM
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07-22-2004 12:13 AM


Well, get back there soon, just trying to set the stage.

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Message 38 of 87 (126432)
07-22-2004 12:29 AM
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07-22-2004 12:25 AM


I just realized that this topic was about dinosaurs and not the HP theory... Perhaps I should shut up.
That's okay, all of this will come together soon enough.
On your road trip, be sure to try to get to see El Capitan. Now that's one muther reef.

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Message 40 of 87 (126436)
07-22-2004 12:36 AM
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07-22-2004 12:32 AM


They are some wonderful places. I really enjoyed living out there and getting to see some of those things.

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Message 43 of 87 (126446)
07-22-2004 12:49 AM
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07-22-2004 12:18 AM


Actually, the KT boundary is much, much more recent. Between the Permian and the KT boundary we see all of the Mesozoic Era; the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous. While the Permian was between 300-250 million years ago, the KT boundary is almost yesterday, only about 65 Million years ago.

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Message 44 of 87 (126452)
07-22-2004 1:19 AM
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07-22-2004 12:18 AM


Before you make your road trip, This site with info on the area and the geology might help.

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Message 54 of 87 (126630)
07-22-2004 2:09 PM
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07-22-2004 1:52 PM


Re: What...the...****
Actually the word dinosaur was just a word to describe large creatures found in the 1800's that they also concluded were lizards.
Sorta, but as often the case, not quite right.
Many of the fossils found were big, many small. And at first, folk did not know where to assign these finds.
But we have learned much over the next 200 years. Now, we have enough samples to assign most finds. There are still fuzzy areas, particularly with those strongest of findings, the transitionals. That is one of the strongest evidences that the TOE is correct. We are finding more and more examples of critters that are steps between reptiles and mammals, between dinosaurs and birds.
Croc's and turtles are the same creatures as dinosaurs.
Well, again, kinda sorta. Both are animals. But the evidence is that they are distinct and different families of animals. But a Croc is not a dinosaur.

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Message 59 of 87 (126989)
07-23-2004 1:21 PM
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07-23-2004 2:15 AM


Small question for you.
The hydroplate theory supposes that the water chamber was lined with limestone
We've been going over how limestone is formed and that it is formed through pretty normal biological action.
The water chamber in your theory is down beneath lots of granite and basalt, IIRC. How did this product of living organisims get down there to become filled with water? If it was limestone, at one time it was at the surface. That's where it formed. But there then has to be some method, some process, that moved it down to become the chamber, and yet another process to hollow it out and fill it with water.
Does that get covered? How long did that take?

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Message 64 of 87 (127029)
07-23-2004 3:11 PM
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07-23-2004 3:00 PM


You're progressing and we'll get back to the critters
but I'd like to explore this point just a little further.
For these chambers that held the fountains of the deep to exists, several processes have to happen and in order. First, you need the container for the void. You need to explain how the granite or basalt got there, and how it left the big holes. Next you need to make the limestone and somehow line the chambers with it. Finally, you need to gather the water (where from????) and get into the limestone lined chambers.
Only then can you begin to look for the procedures and processes that could support the HP theory. And you need to do all this in a short period of time.
Remember, HP is the theory that results in the flood so you can't use the flood to create the conditions for HP.

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Message 76 of 87 (127387)
07-24-2004 9:33 PM
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07-24-2004 3:29 PM


Robert Byers writes:
Creationists accept, as is the history of the English-speaking people, the most intelligent people, the Bible has a legitamate source of truth of origins.
You're right Robert. Many of them don't realize how difficult their job really is or what the odds really are?
As it was said in the Body Book
quote:
The human body is indeed a wonderul thing. Its infinitely complex way of
functioning would take a computer, working flat out, day and night, excluding
Bank Holidays and Christmas, 3,971 years to work out. The slightest flicker of
the eyelid, the smallest movement of the big toe, involves such extraordinarily
complex processes that the average man, working flat out, excluding Bank
Holidays and Christmas, but *including* weekends, would take 84,643 light years
to work it out. If you can imagine an Airedale terrier jumping in and out of a
watering can once every 7 minutes for 12 years you have some idea how long that
would take. And that's only one light year.
edited to add the quote from the Body Book that I left out.
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