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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Alright, I'll attempt to provide my two cents in here.
Generally no, because then they have to explain all the Precambrian fossils, & they can't. Does Precambrian rock include any strata? I was not aware of any fossilized organisms other than bacteria and such in rock below the sandstone strata.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Why did the flood happen? According to the hydroplate theory a chamber of water between the basalt and granite layers of crust formed and increased in pressure until a crack in the upper crust formed causing a chain of events to occur.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
How long was the period from Eden to Flud? According to the Bible, which is the only written record that describes any events prior to 3000 B.C., the time period would have been about 1200 years, I think.
Was there time enough in those pre-Tertiary days to build reefs 500 meters thick from slow-growing corals? Don't know.
Was there time enough to deposit all the coal in Pennsylvania? I saw a documentary about a geologist (forgot his name) that did a master's thesis on how he supposed coal might form. It turns out after Mt. St. Helens blew up his predictions came true. A peat bog has formed at the bottom of a lake where hundreds thousands of trees have been washed. The trees rubbed the bark off of one another as they jostled against each other. The resulting bog on the lake bottom is many meters thick. Another eruption or mud flow could easily bury the peat and pressurize it to become coal. Some of the coal would be rolled away in such an event, which might explain the coal balls we see today. Some trees have reched neutral or negative boyancy and are floating up through the layers of this bog, which would explain why we find trees standing up through coal layers today. Anyways, if all the pre-flood world's trees were swept away and floated on the surface in large mats and then eventually came to rest on postflood lakes, this could explain the coal deposits we see today.
How about to lay down 2500 meters of laminated shale/sandstone in the Delaware Basin? The HP theory predicts much erosian at the edge of the hydroplates which would eventually cover the continents to varying thickness with sediments, which would then be layered by liquefaction. This would explain the many many occurances of milimeter thick alternating layers of sandstone that have been bent and contorted without cracking or crumbling.
The White Cliffs of Dover? There is a process by which limestone can form quickly, but first I'd have to know... are the white cliffs of dover when analyzed diatomacious in nature or not? I'll have to look this up somewhere, if nobody knows. I have heard of thick layered limestone deposits similar that are not diatomacious.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
That's more the how according to the Gospel of Hydroplate. What I was wondering is "why did it happen?" IF in fact ZPE is increasing and the speed of light was faster and therefore decay rates were faster in the past, much heat would have been generated by radioactive decay warming the cold earth's core causing hydrates to release their H2O's and water would begin to saturate the crust. Springs would form all over the surface like we see today in black smokers. Since the pressure is so great under 10 miles of granite, water would not be able to seep up from the bottom, but would pool between the granite and basalt. This is a bit of my own hypothsizing. You need not reply.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
The Dove brought back an olive branch so with all this upheaval, the olive trees were surely buried with the rest. Be sure an olive branch takes years to grow Not everything would have been buried. Many things would have floated.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
So then how would you explain the Permian extinction event? How many meters of sediment is the deepest Permian rock found?
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
And the strata, even long before that, are present - Well, the HP theory hypothesizes that all layered strata was laid down by the flood. Well, I shouldn't say all.... but for the deeper layers, all. This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 07-21-2004 11:05 PM
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you for your reply.
The Permian shale/sand in the Delaware alternates layers of organic-rich shale - from silt and microscopic sea life - with sand that was worked by wind, not water. Desert sand. 2500 meters thick in the center of the basin, with millimeter-scale laminations throughout. How do you get millimeter thick laminations throughout anything that has been worked over with erosive forces like wind and water? And how do you get silt and lifeforms in one layer and completely different sand in the next, and then back to the same as before in such an alternating pattern by erosive forces? edited to add:
And it's localized to the Permian-era basin just south of the reef that makes up El Capitan. Which El Capitan are you referring to? This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 07-21-2004 11:12 PM
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
I'm still having some troubles explaining myself. Not unsual, I'm old and slow. You're still dealing with the hows. Biblical Flood. Why did it happen? Is this a philosophical/religious question? I thought we were supposed to debate the science aspect in this forum.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
The Permian off Louisiana is surely at least 10 km from surface, if they've even drilled to it at all down there - Well, good, I don't think there should be a Permian layer there according to the HP theory (I could be wrong). However, there should be one inland, and that is what we find. I believe part of central Texas is called the permian Basin... I can't remember exactly where.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you for your reply.
Are you asking "how deep to the deepest Permian" This was what I was asking, because I know that the Permian layer is exposed in areas. Am I right in saying that the iridium layer marks the "extinction event" and the top of the Permian layer, and that Iridum is commonly found in asteroids? Just need to make sure I've got it straight.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you for your reply.
The Delaware Basin was a deep, smallish sea next to a large area of desert. In the wet season each year, silt washen in from rivers and critters/algae grew up near the surface, where there was light and oxygen. In the dry season, winds blew angular, faceted sand over the surface, and some sank. No erosion was going on 1000 meters down in the sea, and the area apparently kept subsiding over A Long Time to allow the few million alternate layers to build up. Ah, I see. Makes a little more sense now. Where is the Delaware Basin located now?
El Capitan at the south end of the Guadelupe Mts. in New Mexico and Texas. It's near Carlsbad Caverns. That's what I thought you were talking about. I'm going through the caverns again in a couple of weeks on a road trip through NM with some friends... I'll be in search of evidence. I just realized that this topic was about dinosaurs and not the HP theory... Perhaps I should shut up.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
The place I'm sitting is on the Permian Basin's east edge. It's 1 to 2 km deep to the top of Permian most places out here - though it's on surface on to the east. I'll look at my map at work tomorrow and tell you more exactly where. And I won't tell these West Texans that you said "central Texas" - they get real touchy about that kinda stuff out here. Ha! that's right.. I should have looked at your profile. I've been through Snyder before on my way to New Mexico. In fact I'll probably be passing through there in a couple of weeks.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
I don't think we'll make it that far South, but we are going to Carlsbad Caverns, the White Sands, The valley of fire lava flow, El Malpais or the badlands, the Bandera volcano, the ice cave, Petroglyph monument, a dinosaur museum in Albuquerque and hopefully top it off by climbing wheeler peak.
All in all, I hope to get some very good pictures of geologic formations.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you for your reply.
errrr... I've never heard of diatomaceous limestone/chalk. I'm not saying limestone can't have diatoms, but generally diatoms do not occur in limestone in large enough amounts to warrant the descriptor "diatomaceous." At least not to my knowledge. Limestone and chalk are predominantly composed of carbonate (CaCO3), while diatomaceous earth or diatoms are composed of silica (SiO2). What exactly are you attempting to propose? Perhaps I used the wrong word? Yes... I had the wrong word. Limestone formations like the cliffs of Dover is believed to have formed from enormous amounts of crushed up corals and shells that were compressed and cemented together. However, I think silica Is the second most common cementing agent, but it could never form from diatoms anyways because silica must be dissolved into water under great heat. But anyways, what I was asking is why many layers of limestone are not made up of ground-up sea shells or corals? And where did all the limestone and silica cementing agent come from to uniformly cement all of these sediments together between layers? In other words, why is most of the world's limestone inorganic in origin? Also, how did such immensly thick limestone formations occur? The Bahama's formation may be as deep as 6 miles. As a side note: if limestone was precipitated by the waters of the flood, the seas would have been richer in dissolved limestone in the past perhaps allowing corals to grow much faster than they do today.
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