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Author | Topic: Life on Other Planets: Is it a problem for creationists? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
There may be life on other planets, but if there is, god created it, therefore this is not a threat at all, and whoever this guy is pretty unintelligent to even think this would be a threat. So, did Jesus die for their sins, too? Or did they have their own alien Jesus? Or maybe they never ate the fruit, etc? So there's no sin on their planet - but then, if sin entered the entire universe because of Adam and Eve, do they then have sin for no fault of their own? It's difficult to countenance a god that would condemn all intellegent life for the actions of two people on one planet. Extraterrestrial life puts some wrinkles in your theology; I'm surprised you haven't thought of them before.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If we do, however, find intelligent, sci-fi, extraterrestrial life, I will concede to this argument and start seriously thinking about these "wrinkles" (This will never happen though). Well, I agree that we're totally speculating either way. Honestly I don't like to get into these debates because this is exactly how they end - we say "well, I'll make up my mind when we actually find the aliens." What else would we do?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
This was supposed to disprove evolution. The bible states this. So, if we find life on other planets can we conclude that God does not exist? That, I think, is the point of the thread. Though it's not my thread - I think it's a stupid question. Why worry about it until we actually find the life?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Adam and Eve have passed their mistake down to all the generations that have followed them. Right, but what about the people that aren't decended from them? You know, the intelligent aliens on the other planets we're talking about. Are you saying that they only get sin when they meet us?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Space travel is limited, and the way things are going on this planet, I have a feeling that we are approaching the end-times and Armageddon is not long in coming. Huh, where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah. Every single year for the past 2000 years. "Real soon now," you Christians always say. I'm not really that worried.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Are you saying that they only get sin when they meet us? yes How does that work, exactly? Are you saying that, when they meet us, they're going to radically change their behavior? "Hey, I didn't know you could rob and steal, but I heard you could do it from the humans, so let's get to it?" Or that behaviors they were already doing would suddenly become sinful? If this species of organisms has only one sex, does that mean they're all gay fornicators? And would that mean that their only means of reproduction would only become sinful after we met them? This message has been edited by crashfrog, 01-19-2005 12:53 AM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well, that takes place outside of marriage, inside of marriage the two shall become one flesh, and lust and sex and joy and wonders, are a holy thing. What if these aliens require three sexes to procreate? Or what if they don't have marriage at all? That might be "God's plan" for us, but what if it wasn't for them? What I'm asking is, when you say that they would be sinless until they met us, are you saying that they wouldn't be engaging in behaviors that are sinful until they met us; or that the behaviors they were engaging in would stay the same, but some of those behaviors would become sinful? It's ludicrous to suggest that exposure to humanity would make them do things they hadn't already thought of doing; but it's incoherent to try to draw a distinction between sin and behavior.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
We did not suddenly do things we had never done before, we did them differently, they would do them differently - and that difference would be sin. What do you predict would be the difference, exactly? What I don't understand is how a being could be doing the exact same thing in the same situation, only it's sinful at one point in time and not another, and the only difference is humans visiting their planet. I mean, I realize that your model has sex sinful in one situation and perfectly fine in another, and I understand the difference is marriage, or whatever. But this would be like sex with my wife being fine, and then sex with my wife becomes sinful, and the only thing that happened was that a friend came over for coffee.
This is conjecture I know. And I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything. You just had some interesting thoughts on the subject and I'd like to explore them with you. It's fun, I hope?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Adam and Eve were naked, fine at one point, not fine apres sin. So, what you're saying is that after the Fall, behaviors that were not sinful became sinful? Even though the behaviors themselves didn't change? I'm sorry to harp on this point but it's so remarkable that I want to make sure I understand you completely.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What I'm saying is that those who behaved the behaviors no longer behaved them in perfection. So what about them changed that they were not perfect? If you do the same thing twice, in the same way, how can it be perfect one time and imperfect another?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Making soup now became arduous, it was like real work. Ok, I see by your example that post-sin, the actual behavior changed in regards to how it was carried out. That makes a lot more sense, thanks.
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