Take the Atheist Challenge!!!

You are not paying attention.
Or you miss-read a few posts.
Go back and read the whole thing lol.

Being sincere about the challenge only validates it. I wasn't doubting you, or not. I can't tell from here. I was merely pointing out that it takes sincerity to make it valid.At first I was like, you got a good point there about asking Jesus into your heart. I didn't recall where it said that. I was always taught to back up what you say with scripture, so I read a little.I know its not part of the original challenge, and maybe I am wrong for trying to alter it, but I feel if you are making a valid effort, that you be given the best shot at it possible(finding God).
I don't know if reading the book of John like this will actually bring God into your heart.
For me it was the reading and studying of acts that made me realize about the Holy Spirit.
You see the Holy Spirit is the key, and the "proof" most of us seek.
That is the beauty of Jesus, he died for our sins, so that we would be saved. Once we were clear of this, we get the Holy Spirit as a guide in our lives.
This is so important as to understanding how God works under this covenant.So if you would like too, I suggest reading Acts 1 and 2. It explains about the Holy Spirit.Here is where you find the part about asking the Lord into your heart.
The word heart is a figure of speech, said by most preachers, sorry.Acts 221 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.'[1]Joel 232 And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD callsOnce you have recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you will be saved. You become a new creation in the eyes of the Lord. You looked for him, and you found him.
After that you can baptize with water if you want, or before. Jesus says you should be baptized with both water and the Holy Spirit.
It was at this point that I no longer wanted to sin, and enjoy living Spirit filled life.
For sin would take it all away from me.I also believe that telling God that you truely forgive those who sinned against you is part of it.
It must be an unconditional decision.

You can't see the signifigance in these evidences?
The difference, or are you stuck on one thought process?

Let me just say that I think all you guys in here are awesome.
I really enjoy this thread.
I hope to stay around for awhile.Espicially you Lam. I admire the covenant you made with your parents. But be aware, as the devil also goes to church every Sunday, and is praising God right next to you.

I hope you at least read this whole thread before you decided to call me dishonest.Being dishonest goes against every fiber of my being at this point.
I believe I already proved that evolution is not fact. As a matter of fact you scientists proved it yourself with your own description of theory.Calling evolution fact is a mis-interpretation of the English language. It also confuses people, and probably makes creationalists upset.Can we agree on this everyone, that what happened in the dish was a mutation?
So mutation is the fact, and evolution is the theory based on that fact and other facts.I mean a few people have said that it takes more than just a mutation in a dish to complete evolution. So it would be incorrect to name the mutation as evolution.When TOE tries to explain this, and TOE cannot be proven, then TOE cannot be a fact. Facts are actual things.Its a small difference, but important.I believe in God whether he created us the way we are as you see us, or he created us to evolve, which I am not sure if that really works anyway.

Well bacteria can evolve in groups, where as humans might not evolve in groups.Different.

When and if you find God, you will then become aware of the devil, and demons.Suggested reading Ephesians 6:10 -20Now when I feel attacked by the devil, I try to immediatly reconize it and pray for protection. I can't tell how much this has worked for me.
I mean so much so and so instantainious, that my would be enemies show up out(or call out) of nowhere, 15 minutes after praying to apologize to me.Have fun with that one guys, I know you will.

So that further stregthens my point.But it all comes down to the way you look at it.
We are mostly on the same page now as far as TOE not being proven.
Also TOE should not be used to believe or not belive in God.agreed?

Yea but, the bacteria had several mutations all at the same time. The natural selection made them do it.So why would only one human evolve at a time(if thats the case)?
Isn't there a slight difference there?
Doesn't it raise questions?
Isn't that what science is about?

Yep, thats been my point from the start, very well.

lmao LAM.
Whos the rational one now? lol.I got in an uproar in the begining of this thread because it seemed that some would be using the TOE or science in general for not taking the challenge, or believing in God. Thats a sore subject to me. I feel I have a calling to the scientifical society.When you have something that is as beautiful as what I feel, you feel a need to share it with your fellow man. Its just as significant as a great scientifical discovery. It's all done out of Love.Peace.

Doesn't this contradict the theoretical Eve?Raising questions is what science is about partly, then finding the answers, is what I am saying.

Ok, now I am confused again, crap.Natural selection is fact?
The darwin experiment with the black and white moths.
Just because the one color moth survives better, does that mean it evolved? Is it not still possible that it could make white moths again?
Same thing for the bacteria. Once its enemy goes away, can't it revert back to its original state?
Is it possible that, this is all it will ever be cabable of?Or how bout this question, isn't natural selection limited to natural enemies?
Doesn't that limit the whole thing?

The way I was raised makes it hard for me to see something as being fact, and unproven theory at the same time. It is contradictary to me.
It is miss-leading to me.I understand everything else your saying, just don't use those evidences not to believe in God. Or at least consider it.

Its just that I find a difference in whole populations changing at the same time, as compared to possibly only on person out of a group of people, or animals changing.i.e.
If there was a group of primates living in a cave, say 50 or so. They all got subjected to the same natural selective behavoir, and only one mutates. Doesn't this raise questions, as to why only one does.And what if the numbers wher greater than that. The ratios of mutations of a given species would then seem to be different, why?I should go to college.