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Author Topic:   Are there any unexplained branches of evolution?
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Message 7 of 35 (107304)
05-11-2004 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Gary
05-10-2004 10:45 PM


Re: Missing links?
Much of the missing fossil record is due to the fact that things don't get fossilized as much in the acidic environments of the rain forests. That's why a lot of the hominoid record is still missing. Our ancestors were tree dwellers.
We also have trouble putting together stuff a record of stuff that live in water. Sharks, for one thing, only leave behind their teeth.

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Message 11 of 35 (107336)
05-11-2004 2:48 AM
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05-11-2004 2:45 AM


Re: Missing links?
almeyda writes:
But doesnt evolutionists constantly refer to the fossil record as the evolutionary chain etc?. They say that it shows gradual evolution and transition etc. What are they basing this on?..
I didn't say all records are incomplete. I said some records are incomplete because of natural complications. We do have some records that are very close to being complete... or at least that's what they think.

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Message 13 of 35 (107338)
05-11-2004 2:50 AM
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05-10-2004 11:56 PM


Re: ...
almeyda writes:
A small-horse like creature to modern horses? Its still a horse! nothing changed.
Actually, you forgot to mention the fact that the ancient horse had an extra toe compared to the modern toe. Care to take a wild guess as to why they lost a toe?

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Message 15 of 35 (107341)
05-11-2004 2:52 AM
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05-11-2004 2:49 AM


Fossilization is rare.
Let's not forget the dodo. If people didn't keep a record of description of these animal, noone in the world would have ever known that the dodo ever existed. No fossil. No bones. Zippo.

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Message 20 of 35 (107348)
05-11-2004 3:11 AM
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05-11-2004 2:56 AM


Re: ...
That sentence sounds very suspicious to me. When refering to single sentence to make a point, the person usually ignores that the author gives as evidence of certain event without any witness.
For example, a forensic scientist, on the stand, could be asked by the defense attorney if there was any witness that could testify that the defendant raped and killed the victim, and the scientist says "no, but..." and the defense goes "thank you very much. No further question."
What the defense attorney is doing is suppress information. The scientist was going to say "no, but we found the defendant's sperm sample in the victim, his finger prints were all over the victim's clothing, and his saliva samples were all over the victim's face."
Going back to your quote there, of course noone saw the evolution of one toed horses from three toed horses. If anyone ever claim that he saw such an event happening, he belongs in a mental institution.
"...but that does not mean we cannot be confident that horses evolved" sounds to me like the author have already or will give evidence to support his belief in such an event taking place.
Without the rest of the texts, I can't really answer your question.

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Message 34 of 35 (107826)
05-13-2004 3:07 AM
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05-13-2004 2:50 AM


Re: ...
Gary writes:
How so?
I think he was using straw man. He quoted a single sentence and claimed that the single sentence is the entire thing about the issue. He left out all the other supporting arguments made by the author. He even misinterpreted that single sentence that he used.
I'd say he committed both the straw man and suppress information fallacies. Also, note that he's not responding. Typical reaction from people like him: Instead of admitting his mistake, he simply left.

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