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riVeRraT
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Message 60 of 321 (107097)
05-10-2004 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Parasomnium
05-10-2004 6:45 AM


Re: Let the deluge commence...
There is nothing calm about his arguements or rational, and I could spend the rest of my life debating it, but I have said what counts already. A true scientist would remain open to all possibilities, and not be one-sided.
You could never argue the fact that I feel God, out of me.
Nor will science ever explain it. < my opinion.

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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 321 (107108)
05-10-2004 11:26 AM


I also Love when science can't explain things that happen to people, then document them as "miracles" lol.
Explain to me how you deny them.

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riVeRraT
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Message 67 of 321 (107144)
05-10-2004 3:09 PM
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05-10-2004 1:15 PM


Re: New Topic
Ok, thanks.

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riVeRraT
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Message 68 of 321 (107146)
05-10-2004 3:11 PM
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05-10-2004 1:20 PM


Re: Let the deluge commence...
Yes absolutely. Remember my 80/20 rule.
Its a little hard for someone who has meet God to deny him, just like if I showed you an apple, and told you it wasn't. But if you are scientist, you must remain open to all possibilities.

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riVeRraT
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Message 71 of 321 (107149)
05-10-2004 3:16 PM


To rhain, evolution is not fact like gravity.
Our existance is fact, and evolution tries to explain it.
I must say that I am getting ganged up on here. I do have a life, so I won't be able to reply as fast as you guys might like. I will eventually respond to all posts.
I am also going to limit myself to this thread, because of the intense amount of replies needed.

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riVeRraT
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Message 73 of 321 (107155)
05-10-2004 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by :æ:
05-10-2004 2:01 PM


Sorry dude, I'm not buying it yet.
I would like all my questions answerd first, not just you telling me that is evolution because you think or feel it so.
Evolution better be able to explain Love because the first amino acids probably didn't Love each other, but who knows?
If you don't believe in life after death why would any of this even matter? The mere fact that you can think of the possibility of life after death is a sign that it could possible exist. To completely deny it shows your unopen mind. Everything else we think exists, usually turns up sooner or later. Funny how that works?
because the answers are inside of you already, IMO.
Having kids can and will teach you alot about life that you may not know. However this is a probability, and it does matter for my own research.
Evolution if it is correct would prove the Bible wrong, no? Then if there was a God how would we know who he is? We were created into existance, not evolved. But maybe you came from apes, I don't know j/k.
No hypotheses are scientifically useless. A true scientist knows this.

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riVeRraT
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Message 74 of 321 (107156)
05-10-2004 3:29 PM
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05-10-2004 3:18 PM


Re: Possibilities
It is also too expensive to try and disprove one theory all the time.
It seems that scientist only look for evidence to fit one description all the time.
What about all the other evidences of creation, and the earth not being as old as carbon dating would have you believe? You should know what they are.

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riVeRraT
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Message 75 of 321 (107159)
05-10-2004 3:33 PM
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05-10-2004 2:07 PM


I am digging a hole because you say so, I think not buddy.
I never claimed to be a scientist, I only claim that I know God.
I explained exactly where abouts my knowledge is. I have a good understanding of basic science, because of the work I do, and the hobbies I am into.
You now just spoke for everyone in the forum, hardly a position you should take. Speak for yourself, and then I will converse with you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 76 of 321 (107161)
05-10-2004 3:39 PM
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05-10-2004 2:03 PM


Oversimplification?
Lol.
I call it a lie. I guess we can teach them whatever then right? Then when they are old enough they can decide.
quote:
his is where I get a little cranky. Theories can never be proven. Get your freaking facts straight.
shh, don't let the other scientists hear you say that.
I take science for what it is worth.
quote:
Noone claims to know it all. In fact, if you ask a physicist enough question about gravity, he will admit to you that he doesn't know. No scientist in his right mind would say that he knows all. Only you dogmatic people claim such a thing.
Thank you for further clarifying my point.
Please don't call me names either, that only describes where your coming from.
quote:
Science is very interested in finding out how we got here. But as to assigning a purpose, it's a philosophical question. Science doesn't care if there is a purpose or not. It only cares about the how and the when.
I'm very afraid. I think I'll try to buy a bullet proof vest now
How very scientifical of you, I really believe in evolution now.

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riVeRraT
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Message 77 of 321 (107164)
05-10-2004 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by NosyNed
05-10-2004 3:18 PM


Re: Possibilities
I agree with people being delusional. Thats part of what kept me from God all these years.
I am not talking about scientists either, I am talking about religious people and their silly traditions.
Back to the 80/20 rule.
quote:
Each of us has to pick and choose as best we can. Science as a practive picks only those things which have some observableevidence to work with.
But if most of the scientists don't believe in God, then where is that going to lead us?

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riVeRraT
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Message 83 of 321 (107188)
05-10-2004 5:13 PM
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05-10-2004 3:47 PM


Re: Possibilities
Agreed, but if they don't look for him, they won't find him. We have instructions how.
Maybe when they discover the 4th dimension, we might find God, or some traces thereof.

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riVeRraT
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Message 84 of 321 (107189)
05-10-2004 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by NosyNed
05-10-2004 3:51 PM


Re: Believing in God
Agreed, You make good points.
But there is probably thousands pieces of evidence, that all get trashed for some reason or another.
don't tell me because they aren't true.

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riVeRraT
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Message 85 of 321 (107190)
05-10-2004 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by coffee_addict
05-10-2004 4:12 PM


Thats your opinion.
I have no arguement here. I merely stated that I feel God, and I explained how. The Bible explains how.
If you still consider me to be bogus, you are calling me a liar then.
Keep offending me, that will convince me of it all.
Everytime you insult me, you bring me closer to God.
I believe I have not said anything to be untrue as of yet.

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riVeRraT
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Message 86 of 321 (107192)
05-10-2004 5:23 PM
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05-10-2004 4:21 PM


I guess my point is that you don't make any valid points whatsoever.
Mathematical formulas, are proven, TOE is not, you can't compare the two.
Who says I don't understand what happened in the petri dish. I want you to explain it to me, how that proves evolution. There is so much wrong with that experiment, and I will get to it all.
It is not the proof that you seek, not by a long shot.
You really must stick to the topic, and quit the harassing, otherwise I will choose not to respond to you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 88 of 321 (107194)
05-10-2004 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by coffee_addict
05-10-2004 4:23 PM


Re: Well sort of
How much of your science do you use from 200-300 years ago? Maybe it needs to be re-visited.
Anyway I'm sure rhain is going to write me a book tonight, so I better go study the Bible.

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