Theory: Why The Exodus Myth Exists

Numbers 1:1

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Now the LORD spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of meeting, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying: all who were numbered were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty.Numbers 1:45,46

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So all who were numbered of the children of Israel, by their fathers' houses, from twenty years old and above, all who were able to go to war in Israel-- all who were numbered were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty.In the second year out of Egypt there were 603,550 males able to go to war in Israel. This obviously doesn't count the elderly, women, and persons 19 and under.This quotation is from the NewKJV.But every other version listed in Bible Gateway says the same.All the translations say 603,550 males able to go to war in the second year since coming out of Egypt.This means there were a little less/little more ? the year before when they departed Egpyt.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-07-2004 09:58 PM

But it is not unusual for tall tales to get exagerated somewhat. And for the Exodus story to really become reasonable, the numbers need to come down by an order of magnitude or so.

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PERCY: You can raise all kinds of legitimate issues regarding why the evidence isn't accessible, but science contains no special dispensations for inaccessible evidence.

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Percy:Does this "no special dispensations" include alleged human origins evidence inaccessible beneath the Earth's crust ?

Jar:What is the source for this belief ?Or is it purely subjective ?

I don't want to draw this thread off topic. If you'd like to take your issue to another thread I'd be glad to address it.--Percy

WTThe Exodus story as laid out in the Bible has, IMHO, some serious problems. First, nobody noticed. Not only is there no evidence of the Hebrews being in Egypt in the first place, there is no evidence of them leaving.There is this character Moses who supposedly saves the whole Nation of Egypt from starvation. He is the Pharaoh's right hand man. But in a civilization that recorded everything, even the name of the Pharaoh's barber, this right hand man, savior of the country is not even mentioned. In addition, neither the seven lean years nor the seven good years are mentioned. And the fact that the people are saved from starvation doesn't rate a mention either.Then there is the trek. Supposedly about two million people, their cattle, draft animals, herds, tons of loot wander around as an army (or at least a tribe) and yet they leave no evidence. That's a ton of people. You do not move that many people without leaving some traces. If you lined them up in a column 100 wide, and allowed only 3 feet for a row, the column would still be over eleven miles long. And that is not including any wagons, herds or other animals. If they could manage 6 miles a day, it would still take two days for the column to pass any single point.Finally, there is the story about the chase and destruction of the Egyptian mobile army. If we look at the history during any time that the Exodus might have happened, there were near constant conflicts with both the Assyrians to the North and the Nubians to the South. If the biggest part of the Egyptian army had been destroyed, one or both of those nations would have noticed and taken advantage of it. But they didn't.If...on the otherhand, the Exodus is an order of magnitude smaller, a few hundreds of families, maybe a few thousands even, then things move into the realm of plausable. And it is not hard at all to imagine things being expanded over time so that what was actually a small extended family grew into a myth of millions. And that happens often and in almost all similar myths and stories, in all cultures.I simply don't see how the Exodus can be taken seriously unless the size is in the hundreds or low thousands instead of the millions.

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Thanks for your explanation - thats all I wanted.Jar:Is there any evidence of Egypt(ians) hating shepards ?

Not that I know of. They certain seemed to like a nice roast when available.

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I don't think that anyone is asking for proof of miracles. What we are asking for is proper accounts of the alleged evidence. And getting independant experts to rigorously examine the evidence in detail would be a good start. Even producing the results of rigorous investigatiosn by Moller and his team would be a great improvement over what has been produced. So yes, there are obvious things that Moller and his team could do, which do not seem to have been done.

Hi Jar,I haven’t heard of this before but if you want me to enquire about it I will be unable to for at least a fortnight as I have secured work until the 25th of June and cannot make it into uni before then.I could though see a sense of loyalty between Rameses’ dynasty and Horemheb, the last pharaoh of the 18th dynasty, as Rameses I was an army officer who was appointed king by Horemheb (Akhenaten’s former Commander in Chief). Rameses I had no family connections to the 18th dynasty, and as he was fairly old (a grandfather), when he came to the throne, he brought a ‘ready-made’ dynasty with him.Horemheb tried to remove all the traces of the Aten cult. Akhentaten’s cartouches and the images of both him and Nefertiti were mutilated, Akhenaten’s name was also missed out on all the kings’ lists of the New Kingdom, as were the names of Smenkhkare, Tutankhamun and Ay. So perhaps, with a sense of loyalty to Horemheb, Rameses may have decreed that there was to be a break entirely from any association with the 18th dynasty, I can look into it in more detail in a few weeks time if you wish.Brian.

No, of course I don't want you to check it out, it was meant to show just how silly the claims that an 18th Dynasty hub = Exodus.First, a hub is a hub. Unless there was some markings on it that said, "Ahmose the smith made this during the reign of Tut II. I also do fancy gates and window bars so tell your friends" it would be hard to say anything except that it is in one of the styles used during the 18th Dynasty.And when rulers changed, they did not simply throw away useful things. They might wipe out a few cartouches, but they kept using the object. So a chariot made in the 18th Dynasty might well get used well into the 19th. So even if there were some break, what you would expect to see would be some revisions of any markings, and not the total replacement of useful objects. And in particular, if you are new to the throne, the last thing you do is muck with your military or your priests. Them that tried that we DO know about.

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Hi Buz,I was at Ron Wyatt' website and found this claim:' When asked how he knew this Dr. Hassan explained that the eight spoke wheel was only used during this period, the time of Ramases II and Tutmoses (Moses).'However, you say that it was 'As stated already, the video says they (four spoked wheels) were unique to that perion.(sic)So what is it that was unique to the period, eight spoked wheels or 4 spoked wheels?Also, what do you think of Wyatt's claim that Rameses II was an 18th Dynasty pharaoh?Cheers.Brian.

Let`s extrapolate the numbers
430 years--from 70 to 2M--factor of 28,500 (let`s round it to 30k)
next 430--2M x 30K =60M
next 430--60M x 30K = 1.8B
next 430--1.8B x 30K = 54B
next 430--54B x 30K = 1.6 T
next 430--1.6T x 30K = etc.
Correct my maths if you will,never my strongpoint.
Did YHWH tell the Israelites to turn off the tap? Any Biblical references?

I believe I already addressed this going with the four and six spoke most of it and a few 8 spoke. I don't have enough knowledge on Rameses II to make a comment. My agenda is not to verify all that Wyatt believed but to go with what makes the most sense by the most reliable and up to date sources. Much of what Wyatt pioneered appears to be worth while and is being verified by people like Moller with better equipment, but Moller certainly does not claim to subscribe to everything Wyatt believe, nor do I necessarily. The jury's still out on some stuff.The following Egyptian tour link seems to agree with the position of the video on the wheel design, if I remember correctly. http:/The Chariot in Egyptian Warfare

Btw Brian, there's still some things pertaining to the itinery of the Exodus of yours that I want to address when I can find the time to get it together, but I've been so busy lately that about all I've been able to do is respond to some items which require less time. I haven't forgot.